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Based on the WWDC preview of Panther, what are your upgrade plans?
1/1: Based on the WWDC preview of Panther, what are your upgrade plans?
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Longhorn killer huh
I definitely want to upgrade, but from the preview I don't see the nifty "database" features that were supposed to be integrated into the file system. Too technical to mention? Not yet finished? Scrapped?
and piles?
Come to think of it, I didn't see piles mentioned either. Wasn't that supposed to be in Panther?
and piles? (That's Exposé)
I think that the Exposé they were showing off is the implementation of the "piles" concept.
I could be wrong, but I think that's it.
and piles? (That's _not_ Exposé)
You're wrong. Piles were supposed to be some folder replacement mechanism or a cool way at looking at folders. Expose is about the parallel of that for a bunch of windows.
kqueue/kevents()
Read about kqueue/kevent() in Panther Details on Apple's Web Site. This appears to be what's behind Fast Find in Panther. I'm not sure about any filesystem changes yet.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
The one thing that really bugs me about Jaguar's Finder is how slow it is. I believe it's written in Carbon. Let's hope Panther's Finder is a lot faster. Two days ago I was doing multiple large (GB sized) copying across from a FireWire drive and this rendered my machine USELESS for doing anything else, even switching apps took forever. iMac G4 800MHz OS 10.2.6.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
I've seen estimates from Panther users that the Finder is anywhere from 30% to 300% (!) faster than in Jaguar.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
I have no solid benchmarks for you, but I have used a machine that is running Panther. Yes, the Finder is faster. That's putting it mildly though. The Finder is MUCH faster. In fact, it seems to me that overall, everything is running and launching much more quickly and smoothly.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
For the time being try Path Finder it's completely written in Cocoa and has quite a few features, that Apple's Finder lacks.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
On my iMac 700MHz it is actually faster than the Jag ver. I checked the Finder.app binary and noticed the new one is NOT Carbon / CFM app. Maybe Cocoa, maybe other (C++, etc.) but definitely not Carbon or old-world PowerPlant code.
Finder. SPEED please!!!
The Finder in 10.3 might be a Cocoa app as it is using the brushed metal interface which seems to only be available through the Cocoa APIs. And right-clicking on it allows "Show Package Contents", so...
finder
what i see... there are not that much new features which i "must have". labels are nice, but i have them with a haxie and mail with webcore is nice. hopefully this will also come to 10.2-mail. what about themes and sounds, like os9 had? and what about a finder which does not use dsstore-files and is able do remember the status of a window? the new finder goes the explorer way: differentiate between the data (files, folders) and the visualization of the data (windows). this os not the mac way and i really have to think about upgrading when apple is not able to listen to its customers and implement a really nice way to manage files. the jaguar-finder is not a good way and the panther-finder is neither.
10.3 or 11?
I found a strange thing on the Apple Website:
10.3 or 11?
see here:
10.3 or 11?
since the first release of mac os x apple was unable to name it properly:
10.3 or 11?
hehe, sure and ..
Get it for Free
I'll just wait for Apple to send it free, thanks to my Student Developer account from Apple.
http://developer.apple.com/students/
Get it for Free
Where does it say that student developers get OS updates for free? I signed up earlier this year, so I wasn't around for the Jag update.
Nuttin' here ...
Never say never, but my inclination right now is that it will be quite some time before I purchase 10.3, if at all.
Mr. Jobs' programmers do good work. But unlike Jaguar, 10.3 doesn't seem to have many killer features that I'm dying to implement on my system, and the new Finder looks just flippin' hideous. I wish Jobs would get past the hard-on for metallic looks. It looks good for iTunes, iPhoto, and QT Player, but honestly, that's about all it really works for. Expose looks handy, but I'm fine with the pervasive 'cycle through windows' keystroke and Show Desktop. No Piles. No BeOS-like filing system, which sounded just really darn cool. And few other things that sound incredibly attractive. And, not to mention, the choice-killer: not even the slightest shred of a discount for prior users. That makes it a really big question as to whether I'm willing to shell out another 130-frickin'-dollars for something. I wish Jobs would wake up and realize that it's more profitable to assist customers in keeping their OS up-to-date. Hell, even Micro$loth does that. At this rate, waiting until Merlot is released is probably the more attractive of my options. I imagine 10.4 should be pretty nice, if it still runs on G3s.
different thoughts
I respect your decision not to buy Panther, but here are my thoughts. Brushed Metal It is something you have to get used to. At first, brushed metal on a webbrowser (Safari) was really weird, I wasn't used to it, and I hacked it to display 'regular'. Now I'm back to brushed metal. But really, it's not bad at all. I actually like it -- a lot more than when brushed metal is turned off. I imagine it'll be the same with the Finder, and eventually Mail... there should be some guidelines though as to what should be brushed metal and what shouldn't be. Apple, non-Apple? :-) We'll see. Panther features I adore Expose looks really great... quickly find the window you need (or, "pick a window, and window"). I have not seen this or used it in person, but from what I can tell it is extraordinarily useful. Fast User Switching will be really useful for my family, because 4 or more different people use the iMac and it would be nice to keep separate user accounts... right now it's just too darned inconvenient to have to quit all your apps, log out, and log in, anytime you want to let somebody else on the computer. The new Finder looks like it has a nice feature in the sidebar (which I assume is collapsable), and the fact that it's Cocoa means it will be a lot faster. iChat AV has some handy features... namely, voice chat. I didn't think voice chat would be that great ("really, who cares. I can just send IMs, which let me talk to more than one person at a time"), until I tried it. My brother and I were able to collaborate on stuff and talk without having to switch back and forth between applications. Oher Panther features Built-in faxing, currently, won't be too useful to me since my family has one of those all-in-one machines. But at school it might be handy to have a nice fax engine on my Mac. Preview, Mail, and Address Book all have nice new features that I will probably come to love. FileVault looks like it offers decent security for one's files. As far as I know, Xcode will be Panther-only, and it is the next generation in Mac OS X software development. FontBook looks handy.
Panther, for me, is something I am looking forward to using, as it has a lot of enhancements and features I have been looking for. I'll buy it.
different thoughts
of course there are guidelines which say what can be brushed metal and what not. apple is violating its own guidelines with using the brushed interface for a web and file browser.
Nuttin' here ...
I believe the Be OS meta system is in Panther... this was how they did the "live" searches. As far as Piles... who cares! Nothing I would bother with.
The main thing people are missing about this upgrade is the thing people have been complaining about... speed! A friend of mine has the dev release of panther, and she wrote me this letter (oh yeah, and she's mainly a Windoze XP user.. she wont use OS X full time because it's too slow): "It'll be sweet on your G4. My G3 350 with Panther runs faster than L's G4 450 with Jaguar. It's nice. I'm jealous of your G4. =] It's gonna be *quite* nice with Panther.
Angora
Do 'we' know the ETA of Panther - something more precise than Apple's "later this year"? I need to hose my system and drive, and I'd hate to go to all that trouble only to have Panther show up the next day....
Some features not really covered in the keynote.
I've been using 10.3b for a few days now as my default OS. Some things that The Steveness didn't cover (as far as I can tell): |
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