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3D dock 449 (16.65%)
App: Automator 17 (0.63%)
App: Dashcode 8 (0.30%)
App: DVD Player 10 (0.37%)
App: iCal 25 (0.93%)
App: iChat 21 (0.78%)
App: Mail 23 (0.85%)
App: Preview 6 (0.22%)
App: Terminal 21 (0.78%)
AppleScript 4 (0.15%)
New Finder 86 (3.19%)
Parental Controls 45 (1.67%)
Quick Look 18 (0.67%)
Safari web clip 48 (1.78%)
Spaces 55 (2.04%)
Spotlight 35 (1.30%)
Stacks 707 (26.21%)
Time Machine 77 (2.86%)
Translucent menus/menu bar 731 (27.10%)
Other 311 (11.53%)
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Hate is a strong word
Authored by: knagurski on Nov 01, '07 07:11:12AM

I said I hated the new Finder, but that's not strictly true. I'm a big fan of the column view, but I like the idea of the cover flow view from 10.5. The problem for me is that the cover flow view uses the list view for the file listing, and my biggest problem with that is that you can't navigate using just the arrows keys (yes I know, command-o and command-up arrow open folders, but that is so much slower than just pressing right as in the column view).

I would love to see the column view married with the cover flow view. In fact, I think cover flow should be something you can turn off and on for each of the 3 standard views.



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Hate is a strong word
Authored by: robg on Nov 01, '07 07:16:20AM

Hate is a strong word, but I'm pretty sure there's at least one item on the list that each person will hate. If not, well, then pick one you strongly dislike :).

-rob.



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Stacks
Authored by: regis on Nov 01, '07 07:11:43AM

I hate Staks and regret the possibility to navigate through folders and subfolders from the Dock



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Stacks
Authored by: Coumerelli on Nov 01, '07 08:02:10AM

Yup. I put other. I don't dislike stacks, but I sorely miss being able to drill down folders in the dock. Apple? Can you hear me?

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Lost Bluetooth functionality in AddressBook
Authored by: mkoistinen on Nov 01, '07 07:26:18AM

That is the only change I 'hate'!



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Network Volumes / Shares not in sidebar
Authored by: archdata on Nov 01, '07 07:28:37AM

I think you missed one of the most annoying features, or should I say lack of feature.

Why, and I ask that with the greatest of sighs, did Apple think that not having your network shares appear in the side bar a good thing? Anyone who works with networked drives must be going crazy because I know I am . Why show just the host system? Why do I have to click twice, once on the host and then on the share to get to my networked drives?

I say this is my "most hated missing feature"



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Network Volumes / Shares not in sidebar
Authored by: Ripcord on Nov 01, '07 07:46:08AM

I believe you can drag the ones you want into the side bar once you've connected. Then when you click on them in the future and you're disconnected, it will auto-connect.



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Network Volumes / Shares not in sidebar
Authored by: archdata on Nov 01, '07 08:06:40AM

Yes, that is true. However, with at least 20-30 different shares at a time and dozens more that I might need to access (I do a lot of file management) and I don't want them all in my sidebar all the time. I also have shares at home, that again, I don't need all the time. What was wrong with the old standard way that exists on every other system (yes even Windows!). I understand that sometimes a new paradigm can radically change and improve usability but I fail to see how this situation has done any of that.



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Network Volumes / Shares not in sidebar
Authored by: balthisar on Nov 01, '07 10:22:19AM

This feature is why I voted "new Finder" as my favorite in the other other poll. I love the fact that I can just click the host and see all the shares there. The "eject" buttons shows which shares are mounted, and it's super easy to connect as another user. I guess that means I need to go back and change the guest user mapping on my MythTV/NAT box so I don't have to use guest all the time.

In the past, I'd have to use the Apple Menu and hope that my shares were in the recent items list, or go through three levels or so in Finder in order to get to my share, and use a modal dialog to boot.

I'm even impressed that the new Finder doesn't bog down while waiting for my sleeping drives on the box wake up! I can click a share I know is sleeping, continue browsing elsewhere, and come back to the share when I know the drive has spun up (they take a while, for some reason).

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Network Volumes / Shares not in sidebar
Authored by: UpTown on Nov 01, '07 10:18:24AM

Totally agree. This has got to be a bug, not a feature. The work-arounds are a bit much for mortals. How about "it just works"? Cause this sure does not.



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Network Volumes / Shares ARE in sidebar!!
Authored by: McKs on Nov 04, '07 04:09:37AM

This is still possible, just go to Finder preferences and hit the corresponding checkbox in the Sidebar options.



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X11
Authored by: ataralas on Nov 01, '07 07:37:15AM

The mostly undocumented changes to X11 drove/is driving me bonkers. I can see what they're doing, and once I figured it out, it was acceptable.

But the fact that X11 doesn't obey Spaces properly (e.g. can't drag windows between spaces while not in spaces-view, doesn't obey having it fixed to one space in the preferences pane) is driving me nuts.



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X11
Authored by: n1mie on Nov 03, '07 07:28:12AM

The fact that a lot of X11 stuff is broke because they changed code base from XFree86 to X.org. The fact that it doesn't come to the front when launched. The fact that it doesn't react properly to hot switching. Yeah, X11 is my vote.

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Stacks.
Authored by: Ripcord on Nov 01, '07 07:43:58AM

Ugggh Stacks. Why did Apple make them suck so bad compared to how they worked in 10.4??



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Sptlight gone worse
Authored by: l.balint on Nov 01, '07 07:48:00AM

For me it's Spotlight!
I miss the Spotlight view in the Finder windows, and I hate that I can't search in the Libraries by default, just by enabling the "include system files thing" all the time I want to make a search for lets say a plist file.

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Sptlight gone worse
Authored by: johnsawyercjs on Nov 03, '07 12:22:56AM

If by "Spotlight view in Finder windows", you mean the Spotlight search field in Finder windows (I can't think of what else you might mean), it's still there. If you're not seeing it, then possibly you clicked the button at the upper right corner of your Finder windows, which hides the Toolbar (and Sidebar)?



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I voted Time Machine...
Authored by: Tiny Clanger on Nov 01, '07 08:54:19AM

...but the only thing I hate about it is the way it won't recognise the drives in my server, but insists I take up more desk space with an external drive.

I haven't managed to get any of the hacks to work yet, either, so I *still* don't have an easy backup system :(



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Stacks because...
Authored by: pwharff on Nov 01, '07 10:53:37AM

I voted that I hate Stacks the most because I cannot navigate 2 or more levels deep in stacks as I could with the traditional folder/right click in the dock as before. So to sum it up, my hate for stacks is in 2 parts:

1) Not being able to navigate 2 or more levels deep via Stacks
2) Removing the classic functionality of this as was in 10.4

It doesn't happen too often when Apple removes such largely used features during an OS update. To tell you the truth, I do like Stacks for certain scenarios, but for the most part, Stacks has DECREASED my productivity! My only hope is Apple will provide some minimal update to combat all these upset users!



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Address Book
Authored by: zpjet on Nov 01, '07 12:00:23PM

i hate Address Book. nothing added (okay maybe exchange sync wasn't there before), but one of my most favourite features of tiger is gone: bluetooth dialing and sms. :(



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it's the little things ...
Authored by: afb on Nov 01, '07 12:30:56PM
I voted for the 3D dock, since I think it's the most glaringly bad design choice (along with the indistinguishable folders and the translucent menubar) in an interface that's generally getting simpler and more refined. (And I think the stacks might be a throwback to OS 9's pop-up windows.)

But I'm with John Siracusa on this one (who often used the word hate to describe the new interface): it has to do with expectations. As with every release of OS X, the internals are better than before; simpler, more efficient, better for developers (I hope). But Apple shows the usual fickleness with UI design, despite its moving towards something cleaner, more user-friendly and less shiny.

Though the dock is quite a bad design choice, I think the most stupid thing, most worthy of being hated, is the fickle view settings in Leopard: unless you explicitly designate a folder with a certain view, no matter how many times you change it otherwise, it won't stick to the folder; it changes a global general view setting that applies to all folders except those with the custom view defined in the view options. I haven't even installed Leopard yet, though it's sitting right here on my desk, and I know this will annoy me until 10.6.

So it's about expectations: we expect Apple to be getting better at this, as shown by such seemingly divinely inspired features such as Time Machine, but for some reason, they break perfectly useable (though unideal) functions in favor of unuseable ones. And we cling to the hope that someday they'll FTFF ... (but at least they finally multithreaded the finder server mounting and the window icon grid spacing)

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it's the little things ...
Authored by: mhmlco on Nov 02, '07 11:22:30PM

Funny, because one of the items most complained about in Tiger was the fact that there was no consistent viewing mechanism. Every time you opened a new folder it switched to "its" default view, and each and every one had to be reset by hand.

Now Leopard has gone the other way, giving you a common view across all folders, UNLESS you decide a certain folder needs to be different.

Sorry, but I'll go with Leopard.



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No shares in sidebar
Authored by: MartiNZ on Nov 01, '07 12:57:46PM

Ok hope this goes to the right place, I kind of lost the link to this thread to history - literally the History menu.

Anyway, it seems to me this issue could be remedied quite tidily in a similar manner to what seems to me the best use of stacks – making a folder full of aliases to the shares, and placing that in the sidebar. I realised that extra utility of the stacks concept when I found I actually missed them in open/save dialogs. Odd that I never thought of working like this before stacks came about .. it is a very tidy way of doing things :).



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No shares in sidebar
Authored by: MartiNZ on Nov 01, '07 01:01:03PM

Right, that's why I lost it, it wasn't a thread on its own - refers to discussion above. If it can be moved, cool, else, sorry for the confusion :).



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Spaces. It could have been great...
Authored by: n8gray on Nov 01, '07 02:55:44PM

I've been using virtual desktop systems on OS X for several years now, so I was really excited about having an Apple-blessed virtual desktop system built in, but spaces is a huge disappointment. It's annoying that it won't let me make *windows* (not apps!) sticky. But the worst, inexcusable offense is that there's no way to prevent it from yanking me over to a different space at its whim. Accidentally click the wrong dock icon? *YANK* Click on a web link in Mail? *YANK* Stop at the wrong spot during Cmd-Tab? *YANK*

If only I could get Virtue Desktops to work in Leopard...



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I voted "Other"
Authored by: morrick on Nov 01, '07 06:33:32PM

Actually, there's really nothing I'm "hating" in Leopard. Stacks are a little annoying and nothing more. I'm sure Apple will fix them in a future minor update, given all the horrible feedback.

What I do miss, though, is Classic support.



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Like, it would appear, the majority of people...
Authored by: cnet128 on Nov 02, '07 02:01:03AM
...Stacks annoy the heck out of me. Not because they're bad, per se, but because they remove the original Tiger functionality. I can think of a couple of small changes that would make Stacks many times better without removing any current functionality:

Firstly, add a "popup menu" option to the list of ways to open a Stack - that way, individual Stacks could be set up to work like Docked folders in Tiger. My Applications folder is the big one here, since it's become distinctly less useful now that it opens up as a grid that shows less than half the contents of the actual Applications folder.

And secondly, allow items in a Stack to be right-clicked! If I could perform simple operations such as trashing files, instead of being limited to opening them, then I would be so much happier.

For example, the one Stack I really appreciate having around is my Downloads Stack. I have it set to Fan view (even Grid view is rarely if ever enough to show the ENTIRE contents of my Downloads folder) so that it acts as a quick access to items that I've recently downloaded (normally I'd have to search through my Downloads folder manually to find the file). But if, for instance, I download a zip archive, I can go to my Stack and click it to de-archive, fine. I can then open the resulting file right there from the Stack. But being a neat-freak, I still have to go to the Finder to delete the zip file. If I could right-click, I could trash the thing right then and there without even using the Finder.

(Note: Before I started writing this post, I was going to mention showing files in the Finder as an potential advantage of right-clicking items in Stacks. But then it occurred to me that there might actually be a shortcut to do that already. Sure enough, Command-clicking shows the files in the Finder instead of opening them. So deleting that zip file is easier than I thought it was. But it would still be nice to be able to do it straight from the Stack.)

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Like, it would appear, the majority of people...
Authored by: cawaker on Nov 02, '07 08:17:20PM

actually you can drag files out of the stacks right into the trash, i do it constantly with the downloads folder, i think its great.

Its an awesome way for me to keep my d/l folder clean and organized.

so you can drag files right out of stack to any destination like a new folder or the trash.



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Like, it would appear, the majority of people...
Authored by: cnet128 on Nov 05, '07 12:53:27PM
Hm, now that is quite a useful little solution I hadn't considered. I'll certainly be making use of that.

Still, giving people options is always a good thing. Those great big icons are just begging to be right-clicked. (Bonus points if right-clicking folders allowed you to view their contents hierarchically... but something tells me that would be asking for a miracle.)

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Stacks but not dock/menu's
Authored by: Mac Berry on Nov 02, '07 07:35:02AM

I voted Stacks, but probably wouldn't have done if they hadn't replaced the old way folders worked in the dock. I actually like stacks, but not the reduction in functionality that results for now.

Re the other two most popular results, I LOVE the new dock (not enough to vote it my favourite in the other poll, only because I love other new stuff more!), and I LOVE the translucent menu bar/menu's! You'd think to read the comments before I got Leopard that they were so transparent it was had to see anything in them with other stuff showing through, but come on people, they're only just translucent! I haven't been able to find anything yet that I can put behind them to make them distracting in any way.

Mark



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Hate Finder
Authored by: sipatel on Nov 02, '07 09:12:38AM

I want to get rid of the sidebar -- permanently



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Show all in Spotlight has regressed
Authored by: cpatch on Nov 02, '07 09:46:31AM

Has anyone tried clicking on the "Show all" option in Spotlight's search results? What used to be a useful, intuitively organized results window is now a confusingly disorganized Finder window.



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Show all in Spotlight has regressed
Authored by: Mac Berry on Nov 02, '07 10:34:34AM

I really can't see the problem. By default it shows in details view, so now you can sort by any criteria you like, including "Kind" which is all you had before.

I used to find the Spotlight window a nightmare - looking at files in a window that wasn't finder made no sense to me, as I expect to use all the finder features in the results list.

Mark



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Show all in Spotlight has regressed
Authored by: robg on Nov 02, '07 08:12:11PM

The problem with the Finder results window is simple: unlike 10.4, you cannot add columns to the display. All you get is Name, Kind, and Date Modified.

Why is that a problem? Let's say you run a search on files over 100MB on your drive. Spotlight finds them, but ... there's no way to see, sort, or select based on size! The best you can do (and it's lame) is to open an Info window and see each file, one by one.

I've filed this as a bug, and it was marked a duplicate, so I *really* hope they're going to do something about it!

-rob.



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The Dock Hatetd it In Tiger, Still Hate
Authored by: YoCraig on Nov 02, '07 10:33:01AM

The Dock is the worst feature of Leopard. It was bad in Tiger and they haven't fixed it in Leopard. I didn't use it in Tiger and qwon't be in Leopard either.

I also miss Classic.



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Gui
Authored by: giaguara on Nov 02, '07 01:59:06PM

Gui... the iTunesque look is fine for iTunes, but I don't want my whole OS look like it. I hate that blue, and Appearance set to Graphite does not change it.
3D dock. I can't see what is on and what not.
And bloatedness. And the fact that it still (and never will) does not respect installation choices for exclusion of lprojs. I don't need 20 languages to waste space when all I use is English + 2 localizations to work with.



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Hard to decide
Authored by: Slinkwyde on Nov 05, '07 10:44:52AM

It's hard for me to decide which of the following UI element of Leopard I hate the most. These all drive me nuts: the 3D Dock, the transparent menubar, the folder icons, stacks, and the dark window backgrounds. Regarding the window backgrounds, consistency is great (I love UNO), but I would have gone with Unified for Aqua apps and Dark unified for brushed metal apps. Consistency, yet variety and backwards compatibility visually.

I ended up going with the 3D Dock because it's so glaring, but there are lot of things about Leopard's UI that I simply cannot stand. Hopefully they will repair it with newer versions like they did with 10.0's Aqua.



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