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Nvidia or ATI Radeon card required ???
Authored by: baba on May 06, '02 06:31:14PM

Does this mean only a select few machines will actually work with it?

>(32mb VRAM and an Nvidia or ATI Radeon card required)



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Nvidia or ATI Radeon card required ???
Authored by: Anonymous on May 06, '02 06:50:05PM

No the spiffy gfx card is only required for Quartz Extreme; if you don't have one you'll just get Quartz "Normal" (aka slow), probably tweaked a bit anyway in the Puma->Jaguar process.

Now I need to buy a new Mac =( My iMac 700 isn't even a year old. Next time it's a tower for me. I want expandability, and I'm willing to trade cost for it!



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After market card...
Authored by: robg on May 06, '02 06:51:03PM

Hmm, might have to go shopping for an NVidia or ATI card for my aging G4/350 at work. A graphics upgrade would keep it viable for a while longer! ;-)

-rob.



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After market card...
Authored by: Pat_Gilmour on May 07, '02 05:08:44AM

Yeah, but what if you use a Powerbook?
I have a last generation G3 Firewire PB (Pismo, I think it was called) 400mHz that uses an ATI (AGP) Rage M3p-parent card. Will this mean I won't see any GUI impovements?
This machine in 1 year and 4 months old.If is can't run latest software I will feel it wasn't that good an investment.

Pat



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AGP *2x*
Authored by: MattHaffner on May 07, '02 11:36:22AM
At least one of the keynote reports I read specifically mentioned that you would need a 32 MB card and AGP 2x. So that would probably leave both you and the previous poster (G4/350 has AGP 1x, AFAIK) out in the cold (& slow). Me as well with my PCI B&W rev.1 G3. Just as long as it's not required for the 10.(release-to-be-named-later) upgrade, I can deal with it. :)

I would be surprised if we didn't see some improvements anyway, but it won't be hardware accelerated.

mh


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Nvidia or ATI Radeon card required ???
Authored by: elcuco on May 07, '02 06:06:44PM

Apple's website states that any Nvidia or ATI Radeon will work; 32mb is recommended. It will work on a Radeon 16mb (Tibooks), it just won't be as fast.



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ibook ATI Rage
Authored by: klez23 on May 07, '02 06:14:50PM

so they're not bothering to accelerate the graphics for the ibooks that they're currently selling? doesn't that seem a little ridiculous?



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ibook ATI Rage
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on May 07, '02 07:41:49PM

The problem with laptops is you are never going to get the same performance as on a desktop system, because you have to run off of a battery. They probably can't get the older graphics chips to do what they need anyway, so nothing will fix that.

People should expect that laptops will always be slower than desktop Macs ... you trade performance for portability. If you bought an iBook thinking it would be as fast as a G4, you didn't think it through enough.

If you could fit a highend graphics card in your iBook.. with the extra fan and all, you will still need a car battery to run it!



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Apple kills iBook
Authored by: radfordr on May 07, '02 07:47:43PM

With the new hardware requirements for a fast OS X, Apple has killed the iBook as an OS X machine. Who is going to buy a computer that Apple has already announced that it will not support in the future?



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Apple kills iBook
Authored by: sfn on May 07, '02 10:27:26PM

It is supported. It runs OS X just fine. It will only get better with Jaguar. For extra performance you'll want a better machine. That has how it has always been with the Mac or any computer.

Who knows maybe regular old Quartz will get some hardware acceleration too, just not anywhere near the level of Extreme.



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Apple kills iBook
Authored by: radfordr on May 08, '02 09:26:43AM

By announcing graphics card acceleration of OS X, Apple is admitting that OS X needs a speedup beyond what Apple can do with simple CPU speed. Previously Apple said for us to wait for optimization. Now they are saying that machines they are currently shipping are not good enough. Who is going to buy a computer that even the manufacturer says isn't good enough to run the operating system?



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I completely disagree...
Authored by: robg on May 08, '02 11:29:07AM

I use my iBook with OS X a ton. I have zero speed complaints about it. Could window resizing be a bit quicker? Sure it could. Does it affect my using the system? Not in the least.

It's not like the iBook won't benefit from the multi-threaded Finder, new compiler, and other tweaks that are going into Jaguar. They'll all help, and these new features will be very nice to have on any machine.

By your logic, the iBook was dead the day Apple announced that OS X had native multi-processing support and Altivec acceleration. The poor old iBook has but one processor, and it's a G3 -- so it can't take advantage of either of those speed enhancing technologies, either. Shouldn't it have been declared dead the day OS X shipped? Just like those two technologies, Quartz Extreme is a speed enhancement available on those machines which are capable of supporting it.

If you really want to declare your iBook dead, though, go ahead -- I'll buy it off you cheap if you want to sell!

-rob.



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Logic ..
Authored by: BuD-TheDude on May 08, '02 11:51:53AM

<rant>
This is silly. Ever used a dual 1GHz? It runs aqua *just* fine. Even going down to a slower, single CPU; that runs aqua *just* fine. Apple is admitting nothing. They did promise optimizations: remember 10.0.0 -> 10.1.4? I have full faith that Jaguar will make similar leaps and bounds, perhaps not as drastic. I am sure I don't have to state the obvious that those are optimizations at an incredible level. A new iBook will run Jaguar quite speedily ... but inherently not as fast as whatever the current Pro line offers.

Apple is just offloading some tasks to the GPU to free up the CPU. This is not a confession to the slowness of OS X, but rather its commitment to Apple's dedication to keeping improving OS X in every way possible. This is *innovative*(although I think NeXT needed this too).

So the situation at Apple is: Just developed a new OS that is incredible in every way, jumping leaps and bounds beyond anything Classic could *ever* do, all with great speed. Now they have developed a method to speed up the OS even more. WHAT SHOULD THEY DO WITH THIS? Should they hold off on a technology because some of their models wont be supported? Or should they release it and let a select and large group of people reap the benefits?

Answer: release it.

Answer me this: Why should they not have released Quarts Extreme?

If they did not release it, you would have the idea in mind that Jaguar would run wonderfully on an iBook. But since they did, you think an iBook is too slow. The masses are .. silly.
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-Dude



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