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Why Apple went over the line
Authored by: cougar718 on Jan 11, '06 01:46:15PM
1) Decent apps will TELL you when they are sending some info somewhere, and allow you to opt out before it is being sent. At minimum, Apple should have coded in a little pop up window that alerts you about this and allows you to opt out. The default would of course be to opt in. They could have made this part of the agreement if they wanted to do so.
By disabling the Mini-Store (Shift-Command M), you are disabling it. What purpose does the Mini-Store serve if it does not offer the convenience it does? None, so obviously the user should realize what it's doing.
2) Amazon etc. are all in a different category. When you go to the Amazon site you are interacting with another computer and doing searches on that computer. Clearly, you are giving the information to a third party at that point. iTunes is a program running on your computer dealing with your music. Sending info somewhere else is not obvious, but rather devious.
When you point your web browser to Amazon, you are in fact, like you said, interacting with another computer and doing searches on that computer. We agree there. But with iTunes, iTunes is interacting with another computer as well, the iTunes Music Store. So your music will always be linked some how to iTunes music store. Why wouldn't it be? That's the convenience ITMS offers.
3) Clearly iTunes has the capability to send information over the internet. This is how it gets song data when you rip a CD, so this capability has always been part of it. However, if you use your browser to look at a text file, you don't expect that information to go out over the wires. In the same way, when you use iTunes to listen to music, you don't expect that info to go out over the wires.
Why shouldn't iTunes do this? If it will only strengthen Apple's ITMS then I don't see what the problem is. Perhaps Apple is using this to survey what Music they should get rid of and what music they should start offering. But this is not like personal data that iTunes Music Store would not happen. This is song information that iTunes Music Store already has. Take any popular artist, when you highlight a song by that artist, the mini-store shows albums offered by the ITMS for that artist. So again, what's the problem?
4) Would you mind if the new iSight camera laptops send random snapshots to Apple? It clearly already has that capability, since it's used for video conferencing.
This is completely different and a very bad analogy. The snapshots in your analogy would contain COMPLETELY unique data that can only be found on your machine, no one else s and therefore would qualify under personal data. Song information is already on the internet.

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Rick alias cougar

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Why Apple went over the line
Authored by: bakalite on Jan 11, '06 04:57:43PM

You guys are missing a couple of points. The most important is that this is a forum for tech savvy people. Joe Blow user isn't going to know that the mini store is sending anything, so Apple needs to make it clear. We are not talking about a very complicated App here. The Mac prides itself on being easy to use, and almost everyone using a Mac is using iTunes. This means that a lot of people who have NO CLUE are having their data harvested by Apple. I think this is totally uncool, and Apple should be proactive in dealing with it, for it's own sake.

Rob, I know that you said that someone at Apple told you that the Data was not being collected, but that really doesn't mean anything. All it really means, is that RIGHT NOW no data is being collected. They could start anytime they feel like it.

I stand by my point. Decent apps tell you when they are transmitting data you didn't specifically send, and Apple should apologize, and let people opt out if they want to.

And before anyone tells me to "just turn off the mini store", please read my post again. It isn't a question of ME turning it off. It's a question of your Grandma even being aware that her computer is sending data she didn't specifically authorize to be sent. It's a matter of principle, and Apple should step up to the plate.



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