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Windows-2000 can print to AppleTalk printers already...
Authored by: rsundahl on Jan 22, '02 02:05:20PM

After upgrading to DAVE 3.1 and banging my head on permission/owner bugs and Windows domain authentication requirements, I decided that I would try Virtual-PC 5.0 and run W2K Server to establish a domain for my Windows users (my son and sometimes his friends.) This worked fine, but deep overkill for access to a couple printers and some Mac file servers.

I knew that NT 4.0 Advanced Server and W2K Server could see AppleTalk resources, but I didn't want to run W2K Server, just for Mac support, so I went to try to steal the Macintosh file and print services extensions from W2K Server to see if they would run on W2K workstation when I discovered that "AppleTalk" was already an available, but optional protocol in both W2K products. Once installed, you can create a "Local" AppleTalk printer port, and use it in a "Local" printer. It works like this:

On a W2K machine (and maybe similarly in WXP, I don't know)...
1) Select "Start>Settings>Network and Dial-Up Connections"
2) Open the properties of "Local Area Connection" or whatever you named your connection.
2) Select "Install>Protocols>Add->AppleTalk Protocol" and finish.
3) Select "Start>Settings>Printers"
4) Select "Add Printer>Next"
5) Select "Local Printer(don't "Automatically detect my plug and play printer")>Next
6) Select "Create New Port>AppleTalk Printing Devices>Next"
7) Navigate to and select your on-line AppleTalk printer and press "OK"
8) You probably don't want to "Capture this AppleTalk device?" since this PC is probably a guest on a Mac network, but you could.
9) Choose a driver, etc.

The rest is basic Windows printer setup. I recommend going through ALL of the settings and seeing if they are appropriate to your application. In particular, Windows does not go out to the printer to detect optional printer components like extra memory or optional feeders, etc., at least as far as I can tell. Additionally, it is useful to switch from "ASCII" to "BCP" or "TBCP" in the "Device Settings", since the Windows default of "ASCII" is much slower than it typically needs to be.

I don't know if this was obvious to everyone already, but since I already mounted the learning curve, here it is. Also, I don't know about it's applicability to XP, but I imagine that there is a similar "optional protocol" somewhere in there too since I believe that XP is derived from NT and W2K.

In defense of Microsoft, (and this can be difficult for me,) they have supported mixed Win/Mac/Other networks since at least NT 3.5 quite well, and although there are good reasons to have done so, it certainly wasn't a given, especially with AppleTalk and NetWare, given their ability to crush anything NIH. Truth is, I spent all that time on DAVE and VPC, because I didn't give 'em enough credit to bother checking out their support for the Mac in the first place. ('nuf said)

-Roy



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Windows-2000 can print to AppleTalk printers already...
Authored by: DOshow on May 12, '03 06:15:49PM

How are we physically attaching these printers to the PCs? Appletalk has a mini-den connector that adapts to a R11 cord and what is used on the PC side?



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Windows-2000 can print to AppleTalk printers already...
Authored by: scott_s on Jun 22, '03 03:22:31AM

Thankyou!

I found I needed to set the output protocol to binary (instead of ASCII) in the print driver to make this work. Now I can print directly from my ethernet connected Win2k machine to my EtherTalk connected HP 5MP (via Farallon ethernet - localtalk bridge).

Printers[select your printer]>Properties>Device Settings>Output Protocol>Binary

Scott.



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