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Not quite 'normal'
Authored by: mcroft on May 25, '04 07:51:46AM
I wish (and have submitted as a suggestion to Apple) that Safari gave me the option to ignore the requests of page designers to do stupid things...

Attention Web Page Designers:I do not care if you don't want your popup window to have scrollbars, be resizable, use the toolbar, the location, the menubar, or the status area, etc. It's not your damn screen. The height and width are OK, but the rest of it is none of your business.

Attention Browser Developers: Please provide the ability to override stupid window decisions by Web Page Designers, both on an instance by instance basis and as a preference. This will be a competitive advantage for your product over inferior browsers which provide choices to developers without providing adequate overrides for users.

Sadly, I've seen no action on this yet, but I am optimistic...

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it is obnoxious
Authored by: abriening on May 25, '04 12:42:18PM

I admit that I have done it in the past: no resize, no scroll, no address bar. I think it is a product of the almost total control in print design. But too many sites annoyed me when their non-resizable windows were the wrong size for their flash content or images. So now I tend to believe the need to control the users enviroment is a design flaw. If you think you need to display in a little pop-up box, you're not trying hard enough.



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it is obnoxious
Authored by: osxpounder on May 26, '04 06:04:45PM

I'm guilty, too, but I agree with all of these points and I promise I'm changing my ways. I'll always allow scrollbars & resizing, from now on, but I might hold back on the toolbars and address bars. There are some reasons I can imagine for doing so:

- for many popups, the address is of no use, since it can't be reused outside of the page that called the popup [as with some javascript calls].
- I'd decide depending on the audience; for technogeeks like us, I know you all know how to make a new window, & how to get a URL into a new and different window.

One thing I never, ever do is specify font sizes in pixels or points. I always want to ensure that browsers can resize the text. It's up to the user to figure out how to do that in her own browser, though.

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