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Thunderbird vs. Mail.app... why?
Authored by: seedy on Apr 07, '04 09:48:50AM

As an ex-AppleCare rep, I can say that the most rabid zealots in the computing world are Apple-zealots. They're the kind of folk who care more about GUI than functionality.

When Apple's Mail was peeing itself retrieving mail over a cable connection, many of these folks didn't want to try Mozilla to see if the issue was a connection issue or a Mail issue, but those who did got their eyes opened when Mozilla instantly grabbed their messages without a problem, while Mail kept putting up error messages about server problems.

Mail was one of the worst things we had to support, the program AC reps hated the most, next to Keychain.

While I worked there I refused to use Mail because it was so incompetent; one day they sent out an attachment, a Word file, and then had to send it again because Mail couldn't handle it. Mozilla handled it the first time without an issue.

So on a corporate LAN, Mail even makes Apple look bad, yet the Apple zealots insist that everything's fine, you're just thirsty, drink more koolaid.

Mozilla does two things that no Apple products do:

-You can hold-click on a link in an email and open it in a new tab, leaving your other tabs undisturbed (tabbed browsing did not debut on Safari, btw, but Safari is based on KHTML, which is product of open-source zealots)

-You can hold-click on a web page, choose Send Page from the menu, and Mozilla will open a new email with the page attached. Yeah you could write an Applescript to do the same thing, but then you'd be acting like an open-source zealot, no?

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Thunderbird vs. Mail.app... why?
Authored by: seedy on Apr 07, '04 09:54:36AM

Also, if you want to make Mozilla look better, find a theme called Apollo for it, since Gerich hasn't updated Pinstripe for Moz lately.

The page with Aaron's themes is here:

http://www.cs.txstate.edu/~as1130/themes/

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Thunderbird vs. Mail.app... why?
Authored by: krykertano on Apr 07, '04 05:38:35PM

Hi!

FYI, Thunderbird isn't Mozilla--in particular, it lacks the ability to do the two things you pointed out. And when was the last time you used Mail.app? It's improved a lot in the last three years, you know...

And by the way--this is so irrelevant it verges on ridiculous to mention--the KHTML team is much less afflicted by open-source zealotry than the Mozilla project. Browse around Bugzilla for long enough, and you get the impression these people working on Mozilla are concerned about correctness above practicality and didacticism above good taste. Contrast with KHTML, which (for example) renders poorly coded pages much better than the Mozilla engine.

I stand by my assertion that Thunderbird is a bloated piece of poop (who the hell wants an XUL interface but open-source zealots?) even in its latest incarnations. I understand there are people who might need to use it for its special features, but I am unaware of any of these features that Mail.app lacks. Would you enlighten me?



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Thunderbird vs. Mail.app... why?
Authored by: bezvardis on Dec 06, '04 10:35:49AM

I have no particular prejudies agains any of the programs but still after a short trial of mail.app I switched to Thunderbird. For two reasons:
1) I did not like the drawer with mailboxes on the right hand and could not figure out how to change that,
2) When typing my reply mail, the font seemed so tyiny that I had to use 16p instead of normal 12 to prevent my eyes getting hurt. And I could not figure out how to zoom in that window.

Thunderbird had better situation with both of these things. Sometimes it gets a bit slow but in general it does not have any serious problem.



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