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Fix funky default window position in Safari
Authored by: hembeck on Sep 25, '03 02:14:48PM

Cascading new windows does not bug me. But what I feel is a funky Safari window behavior involves tabs.

I like to keep my window the entire length of the screen: From the bottom to the main Finder menu, to the top of the dock. But if I close a tab, Safari takes it upon itself to shrink the length of the remaining window down.

Anyone know how to kill this behavior?

Fernando

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closing last tab shrinks Safari window
Authored by: hayne on Sep 25, '03 02:53:42PM

Thanks for mentioning this. I also usually keep my browser windows at the full height (not width!) of the screen. And I'd noticed that the windows sometimes got shorter but I hadn't correlated it with the tab behaviour. Now that I understand what is happening (Safari shrinks the window when the last tab gets closed), I'm going to report it as a bug via the (Safari menu) Bug mechanism. You should report it too and maybe enough people will protest that they will consider fixing this soon.



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closing last tab shrinks Safari window
Authored by: Dale Sorel on Sep 25, '03 03:42:19PM

Open the Safari Preferences and check "Always show tab bar."



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always show tab bar
Authored by: hayne on Sep 25, '03 04:21:35PM

But I don't want it to always show the tab bar. That takes up useful vertical space.
I want it to leave my window the size I resized it to - no matter what the internal contents are. I repeat that this is a bug and if enough people report it, it might get fixed.



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always show tab bar
Authored by: heraklit on Sep 25, '03 07:01:43PM

Maybe you should reconsider what you think a "bug" is. Safari developers gave you two options. You'd prefer a third. That's not a bug; that's a feature request.



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window size is set by the user
Authored by: hayne on Sep 25, '03 09:54:51PM

No, this is not a feature request. It's a bug.
It's a general rule, not something particular to Safari.
The size of the window is something that is set by the user.
Except in very special circumstances, the application should never change the window size. The application should decide how best to use the window space provided by the user, but never resize the window by itself.



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window size is set by the user
Authored by: jiclark on Sep 25, '03 11:34:51PM

Sorry, I have to agree with the others. It's "resizing" because the tab bar is going away, but the area filled with actual content is staying the same. Try this: go to Finder and open a window. Then hit cmd-B to toggle the toolbar on and off. Same thing happens here; the window gets "smaller" because you're hiding one of its elements. The visible "productive" area of the window stays the same, but overall it gets smaller when the toolbar goes away.

This is the same thing that Safari is doing!

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window size is set by the user
Authored by: hembeck on Sep 26, '03 11:32:35AM

Regardless of whether it's a bug or not (let's stop the debate now...It's to much like the chicken and the egg debate,) the horizontal length of the window has been set by me, the user, so why does Safari insist on shrinking it? Bug or not, it's annoying.

When the tab bar is closed, that's all that should happen. The physical window length should not change.

Maybe the discussion is being confused by not understanding the definition of 'window'. What I'm referring to is the entire browser window, which include the tool bar and bookmarks bar, not just the space for HTML content.

Like a previous poster said, leaving the preference to always show the tab, eats away at the content space, put yet it preserves the browser window length.

-Fernando

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