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Nuttin' here ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Jun 27, '03 06:01:03PM
Never say never, but my inclination right now is that it will be quite some time before I purchase 10.3, if at all.

Mr. Jobs' programmers do good work. But unlike Jaguar, 10.3 doesn't seem to have many killer features that I'm dying to implement on my system, and the new Finder looks just flippin' hideous. I wish Jobs would get past the hard-on for metallic looks. It looks good for iTunes, iPhoto, and QT Player, but honestly, that's about all it really works for.

Expose looks handy, but I'm fine with the pervasive 'cycle through windows' keystroke and Show Desktop.

No Piles. No BeOS-like filing system, which sounded just really darn cool. And few other things that sound incredibly attractive.

And, not to mention, the choice-killer: not even the slightest shred of a discount for prior users. That makes it a really big question as to whether I'm willing to shell out another 130-frickin'-dollars for something. I wish Jobs would wake up and realize that it's more profitable to assist customers in keeping their OS up-to-date. Hell, even Micro$loth does that.

At this rate, waiting until Merlot is released is probably the more attractive of my options. I imagine 10.4 should be pretty nice, if it still runs on G3s.

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different thoughts
Authored by: davidnorton on Jun 29, '03 07:07:34PM

I respect your decision not to buy Panther, but here are my thoughts.

Brushed Metal

It is something you have to get used to. At first, brushed metal on a webbrowser (Safari) was really weird, I wasn't used to it, and I hacked it to display 'regular'. Now I'm back to brushed metal. But really, it's not bad at all. I actually like it -- a lot more than when brushed metal is turned off. I imagine it'll be the same with the Finder, and eventually Mail... there should be some guidelines though as to what should be brushed metal and what shouldn't be. Apple, non-Apple? :-) We'll see.

Panther features I adore

Expose looks really great... quickly find the window you need (or, "pick a window, and window"). I have not seen this or used it in person, but from what I can tell it is extraordinarily useful.

Fast User Switching will be really useful for my family, because 4 or more different people use the iMac and it would be nice to keep separate user accounts... right now it's just too darned inconvenient to have to quit all your apps, log out, and log in, anytime you want to let somebody else on the computer.

The new Finder looks like it has a nice feature in the sidebar (which I assume is collapsable), and the fact that it's Cocoa means it will be a lot faster.

iChat AV has some handy features... namely, voice chat. I didn't think voice chat would be that great ("really, who cares. I can just send IMs, which let me talk to more than one person at a time"), until I tried it. My brother and I were able to collaborate on stuff and talk without having to switch back and forth between applications.

Oher Panther features

Built-in faxing, currently, won't be too useful to me since my family has one of those all-in-one machines. But at school it might be handy to have a nice fax engine on my Mac.

Preview, Mail, and Address Book all have nice new features that I will probably come to love. FileVault looks like it offers decent security for one's files. As far as I know, Xcode will be Panther-only, and it is the next generation in Mac OS X software development. FontBook looks handy.

Panther, for me, is something I am looking forward to using, as it has a lot of enhancements and features I have been looking for. I'll buy it.

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different thoughts
Authored by: truhe on Jul 02, '03 06:35:09AM

of course there are guidelines which say what can be brushed metal and what not. apple is violating its own guidelines with using the brushed interface for a web and file browser.

i bought a mac to have a consistent interface. i changed nearly every app which let me do this to aqua, to get this consistent interface. a brushed finder is like.. .well... i wanted to shoot the programmer who is responsible for ds_store-files. the same for the one who is reponsible for this brushed interface. its ugly. i hate it. i don't want to have it on my desktop.

please... PLEASE apple, take care of you own guidelines. brushed metal for a dvd player.calender or calculator ist ok, but NOT for a web browser, a file browser, a mailer, an imaging program...

i don't think that i'll buy panther with this brushed finder. maybe it's a cocoa app and i can disable it with demetallifizer or "by hand". but if it's still a carbon-app i won't be able to fix this bug.

the worst thing is that many many app developers also begin ignoring the human interface guidelines. take mellel for example. a word processor with a brushed metal interface...


*sigh*



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Nuttin' here ...
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Jul 02, '03 10:50:50AM
I believe the Be OS meta system is in Panther... this was how they did the "live" searches. As far as Piles... who cares! Nothing I would bother with.

The main thing people are missing about this upgrade is the thing people have been complaining about... speed!

A friend of mine has the dev release of panther, and she wrote me this letter (oh yeah, and she's mainly a Windoze XP user.. she wont use OS X full time because it's too slow):

"It'll be sweet on your G4. My G3 350 with Panther runs faster than L's G4 450 with Jaguar. It's nice. I'm jealous of your G4. =] It's gonna be *quite* nice with Panther.

Yeah, we got the dev release. If I had a laptop I'd offer to meet you for coffee and let you play with it. =] It's got some issues, but is fun overall. (It won't let me copy files from my non-stock CD-RW drive without using the command line.)

Whee! I can't wait for it to actually come out. =] It'll make one of those 1ghz G4's fly, and it'll be *quite* nice on the G5's. Almost enough to make me wanna switch. =]

The expose thing is nice--better than the images make it out to be. (The images make it out to be a little more complex than it is, and give no indication of the speed. This is one of those areas where Apple made the right decision and skipped a lot of the takes-forever-eye-candy-animations. You press F9 (or another function key--fully configurable) and you've got all the windows of a particular type laid out on your screen almost instantaneously.

It's *nice*. And fast even on my G3 with a cruddy little video card. (Much better than Windows' alt-tab) I think you'll like it. =] Almost makes up for the lack of a Linux-like-pager! =] And makes up for the Dock's evilness. (There's a slight animation- the background gets a darker overlay that comes in from the sides of the screen to the center, and the windows re-size and re-organize themselves to fit onto the screen.. but that's fast enough to almost miss. And when you mouse-over each window in expose, it has a roll-over that consists of a transparent color overlay and a rounded box with the name of the window. It's really nice. I love it.

Tabs look different now, as do the login dialogs and some other windows. The design is starting to feel more solid and less eye-candy like. (Although it's still got that gorgeous aqua look)

Let's see.. what else.. Networking is a lot faster--accessing an actual Win share no longer causes the OS X equiv. of a BSOD if I try to disconnect without first double-clicking the icon to open the share (Yes. I've gotten those. I took a picture of one for proof, too!) (I used to BSOD whenever I'd mount a share then un-mount it without viewing its contents. Why? No idea.) I also no longer have that issue with it trying to default to 10-BT instead of making use of the entire 100BT bandwidth avail. To it. Copying to my Win box is a LOT faster. It also seems to be better about just copying things over and manipulating the names of most of the files to make them windows-compatible (ie: no non-windows characters.) Just a bunch of old problems I used to have..

Oh. The mouse-speed-up app you have to download to boost the speed of the mouse under Jaguar? No longer necessary. They give you more headroom now and you can make your mouse zip around quite speedily."




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