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Pick of the Week - A non-standard selection
Authored by: jasongutierrez on Jun 26, '03 04:01:32PM

I had to give this an 8 on the OSX hints poll. I'm not thrilled about decision to release a 64bit machine with a 32 bit OS. It would be hard for me to buy this machine until the full version of 10.3 is released. The other point I took off was for the case design, it looks like the screen of a Braun electric shaver. Never-the-less I'm extremely excited about the future of Apple!



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Pick of the Week - A non-standard selection
Authored by: Mikey-San on Jun 27, '03 12:58:11AM

What would you prefer, waiting until 10.3 is finished to release the G5s? 10.3 is not ready for release; the G5s are going to be in a couple of months.

Apple needs this /now,/ not when Panther is ready to roll.



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Authored by: EatingPie on Jun 27, '03 05:54:14PM
Another note is the interim extensions in Jaguar specific to the G5. I'm not up on possible performance boost here, but the lag time between the G5 and Panther isn't that long... a few months, so I really think it's no big deal.

Yeah, not as good as here and now, but by far and away NOT a platform killer!

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Authored by: MattHaffner on Jun 28, '03 12:41:19PM
I'm not thrilled about decision to release a 64bit machine with a 32 bit OS. It would be hard for me to buy this machine until the full version of 10.3 is released.
You know I keep hearing this and I keep wondering: why? Would you prefer that they keep the G5 under wraps until 10.3 is ready?

Are you unaware that every single application will run and run likely 2x faster under 10.2 on a G5? With certain apps, a recompile might add some additional speed bumps, which is why Adobe is prepping their PS plugin for the G5 already. The major boost is coming from the system itself, along with the nearly zero hit the chip takes running 32 bit apps.

The changes in 10.3 to make it fully a 64-bit OS (or maybe 10.3.1, as some reports are saying now), will primarily add the breaking of the 4GB barrier. That's pretty much it. So what 10.3(.x) is going to give you out of the box over 10.2 (aside from all the visible changes discussed at WWDC) is the ability to run several very memory hungry apps at the same time. Even then, I'm fairly certain that apps will have to be at least recompiled to be able to allocate memory blocks that large themselves.

There isn't going to be a big speed change due to the 64-bit-ness of 10.3. Individual apps may get faster, but only as their developers tweak for the G5. Honestly, this part of 10.3(.x) is really only going to be affecting a small part of the market in the short-term. Unless you are squarely in this niche, I don't see why you need to wait to bundle 10.3 with the G5's.

Where you're really going to see more speed bumps is when developers take advantage of the fact that there are now machines out there that can hold massive datasets/images/history/etc. completely in memory with a massive bus to fully take advantage of that fact. That will require more forethought and those gradual changes probably will probably be rolled up in the normal upgrade cycles.

All in all, it's going to be one heck of a fun year to watch :)

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Fink?
Authored by: Wheaty73 on Jun 29, '03 08:18:38AM

So I wonder how the G5 and 10.3 will affect Fink? Apple have said that 10.3 will come with a v1.0 X11, combine this with a 64bit processor, and will everything be broken?
On the other hand if it all works, I can't wait to see how fast things compile and install compared to my ageing G4/400 :-D



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Fink?
Authored by: MattHaffner on Jul 02, '03 02:12:17AM

Under 10.2, I would be very surprised if the G5 did anything but make Fink source installs 2+ times faster :)

10.3 is a another story, perhaps. The new version of gcc included could require minor changes. And I haven't read enough about "zero-linking" to know if this is a xCode gimmick or something more fundamental that could impact the more 'simple' command line builds that Fink does.

But the included X11 is already being handled by Fink since it is available as a free, public beta download from Apple's site. There should be no problem there either.

In any case, the Fink folks have really been on top of changes to the OS lately. I have little doubt it will likely be a seemless transition for those of us that depend on such tools...



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