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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: robg on May 05, '10 01:38:41PM

Perhaps I shouldn't ever run a hint about Safari then either, correct? Because, really, Safari isn't OS X...nor is Firefox or Pages or Numbers or Keynote or Aperture or iPhoto. But we run hints on all of those things, and many more that aren't specifically "Mac OS X Hints."

So while the focus of the site is Mac OS X Hints, the actual hints cover a broad spectrum of topics. And yes, a few of those topics are even usable (gasp!) for someone not running a Mac or OS X. But that's the minority; the vast majority of the 13,000+ hints here are targeted directly at those using Macs and OS X.

If you don't like the mix, you're more than welcome to find another site to read, or if there are none that meet your needs, launch one. After all, that's why I started Mac OS X Hints in the first place.

-rob.



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: xplora on May 05, '10 03:24:29PM

Ahh but those application based hints all have the same end to be able to use the app better on *GASP* Mac OS X. this one does not, it is designed to help someone install another OS on a machine that isn't even a *GASP-again* Mac.

Just a thought, drop the "ubuntu linux" reference in the title, perhaps call it how to setup a PXE boot service on Mac OS X, and there is your hint, however as it stands it has nothing to do with Mac OS X except the coincidence that Mac OS X is the OS being set up as a PXE boot service for the intended end result of installing ubuntu linux on a PC, which could also obviously be done on a linux machine in a similar way.

If you are going to argue about something, get your facts straight first. :P



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: robg on May 05, '10 03:32:39PM

There's no argument: Nothing about the site's focus will change, so there's nothing to argue about. If you have further issues with hints in the future, please use the email link at the bottom of each page to send feedback directly to those running the site. The comments are for comments about the topic of each hint, not comments about the site.

If you feel you'd rather complain in public, there's a Feedback topic area on the Forum Site; you're more than welcome to post your hatred of all things Mac OS X Hints there. But any further comments that are off-topic to the hint itself will be deleted.

-rob.



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: Anonymous on May 05, '10 04:17:31PM

Rob, I take the opposite view -- to both of you.

1. it's not over the "Internet" -- unless the hint is extended to cover DHCP forwarding addresses through multiple firewalls!

2. the software that the user is being advised to install is totally unnecessary because equivalents exist in the OS.

3. the hint is not about Ubuntu -- it's about PXE booting a PXE-bootable OS, for example, Linux, for example, Ubuntu.

Each of these facts restricts the audience that this *USEFUL* hint might reach. Heck, while we're at it, why don't we further restrict the audience by specifying you need Mac OS X 10.5.3 on a G4 12" PowerBook with 1.5 GB of RAM?

If you don't see a problem with the hint as written, then perhaps someone ought to submit a whole bunch of hints for how to PXE-boot every other Linux out there, with each hint using a slightly different dhcp/tftp double-act? Maybe then someone would get the point?



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: robg on May 05, '10 05:46:21PM

I have no issues with something being a bad hint: if people tell me, and demand is there, we'll get rid of it -- we've done it before, and we'll do it again. I cannot possibly understand every single hint we run, so I rely on the audience to help. (Well, I'll rely for only a few more days; then it's Craig's issue.)

So for this hint, should we kill it, edit it, or leave it as is?

What I *do* take issue with is people using the comments to debate the merit of why a hint is on the site. That's not what the comments are for, and such feedback belongs in the Feedback forum or via email.

-rob.



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: crarko on May 06, '10 05:05:26AM

Craig's feeling is that if one other person finds a hint useful, it's worth publishing. In this one, if it were me, I'd just burn an ISO. But it's not me. Someone went to the effort to write it up and submit it.

If folks want to see different hints published, the 'Submit Hint' button works just great. Share away!

~CRA



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: Anonymous on May 10, '10 06:45:21PM

Well I guess my pov is colored by having submitted a hint and...

...tumbleweed...

Nowhere to be found anywhere, and still current.

And yet something that tangentially ties Ubuntu to OS X gets published.

Discussing the merits of this hint in this hint's comments is absolutely where it belongs, because this hint is what raised the issue. Taking it to the forum is a great way to get it ignored.



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: elmimmo on May 06, '10 01:35:30PM

Regarding 2, please remember this is not a service by expert professionals. I do acknowledge in the hint itself that dhcp is probably not needed, but that is how I managed to do it, cleanly and easily, after spending more time than I would have wanted googling about how to use my Mac to serve a netboot image. For me, it served the purpose so was good enough.

I encourage you to append here how to configure bootp instead of pointless bashing (someone might have learnt something with my hint, nobody learnt anything with your comment).

TFTPServer is not an equivalent to anything in the OS, since it is not a server at all, but an UI for the server that comes with OS X, and an easy one. I leave the guide of how to use the command-line tool to you. Learning that was not my interest at all.

Regarding 3, yeah, I am sure changing the tile "Use Mac OS X to serve a netboot image" will bring the attention of the average Joe (i.e. my own profile) that wants to do just what I did and has only a Mac at reach. Yep, the hint is more specific than could be. I learnt how to do it with OS X by reading guides specific to other OSs.

All the contrary, I think that making the hint's text more universal abstracts it in a way that makes it more difficult to understand and more difficult to come up in search results of non-technical persons.

Edited on May 06, '10 01:38:23PM by elmimmo



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Install Ubuntu Linux over the Internet with the help of a Mac
Authored by: Anonymous on May 10, '10 06:48:26PM

I guess I was under the impression that people come to this site to learn. Evidently what they want is the answer to "What button do I push?"

Hohum.



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