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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...? Apps
If you've found Apple's idea of eliminating 'Save as...' as disruptive of your workflow, then here's a simple solution:

Just copy TextEdit over from your Snow Leopard machine and rename it so you know the difference; I used 'TextEdit-SL.' Now drop it into your Dock and you'll have the traditional, proven, time-honored way to deal with files (instead of having to resort to TimeMachine to revert back to a version that decided to save changes you never intended to keep).

Unfortunately, Lion won't let you delete TextEdit directly. I haven't tried renaming it, replacing it with the SL version (with the proper name) and then trying to delete it.

[crarko adds: I copied (and renamed) TextEdit from my 10.6 drive and it works just fine. You'd need root privileges to try the renaming experiment; I didn't try it. I'd strongly suggest leaving the original alone, in case changing it would confuse Software Update. Also, if you want to have Auto-save and Versions support, continue to use the Lion version of TextEdit. Finally, if you do save a document from the 10.6 version, remember that when you double-click it that will launch the Lion version as the default.]
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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: stephenr on Dec 05, '11 08:12:24AM

Replacing an app from a previous OS version is completely overkill.

"Save As" has simply become "Duplicate"

If you want, you can even assign "Cmd-Shift-S" to "Duplicate" under System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts > Application Shortcuts



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Ditto
Authored by: SeanAhern on Dec 05, '11 09:55:28AM

"Duplicate" is a better way of doing "Save As…" anyway.



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Way better
Authored by: wfolta on Dec 05, '11 10:35:21AM

Duplicate is better than the old system, as you say. And so is Revert To Saved, which works way better than the old Quit and then answer "No" to "Do you want so save your changes?".

You get the same functionality with basically the same number of keystrokes overall, but you get a LOT more flexibility and a lot more safety net under you with the new system.

For example, if you make some changes, then decide you don't want them and you Revert To Saved, then Quit, the document will look just like it was before your changes. Drag-n-drop it, attach it to an email, it is unchanged. BUT you can actually retrieve the changes in the revision history if you later decide you want to look at them, or copy some of them, or actually use that version. A LOT more flexible, unless you're worried about subpoena's and want no evidence you ever thought of making any changes. (In which case, you should be worried about temp files and all kinds of other issues.)

It's just old habits that die hard, really.



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Re: Ditto
Authored by: AnonMac50 on Dec 05, '11 01:07:23PM

I personally the old Save As…

But that's just me.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: toupsz on Dec 05, '11 03:54:40PM
Duplicate is not the same as Save as, they are different mechanisms that can accomplish the same task. I would, personally, rather have both. 95% of the time, I want to Save as (either to version a document or fork it), and about 5% of the time I want to Duplicate (essentially freeze a version).

I understand that Apple seems to have some vision of their OS versioning and backing up everything for you. In practice, that does not happen on my machines and I have to interface with machines that are not Macs. It's actually a bit infuriating because, even with a Ph.D. in computer science (and, specifically, human interfaces), I am baffled by what the intended use is, which leads to difficulty in getting work done. It's made especially complicated by most of my applications still having Save as (which I prefer) and the Apple ones simply not doing what I want.

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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: hamarkus on Dec 07, '11 12:24:21PM

95% of the time when I use Save As, I want to use an existing file as the basis for a new one, in other words, I want to duplicate an existing file...



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: hookoa on Dec 05, '11 10:13:21AM

OR…. use Bean

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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: Makoto on Dec 05, '11 05:11:06PM

The 2.9 betas of Bean reportedly don't work with .txt files, for some reason, so if you do choose to use Bean and want to use .txt files, stick with the stable 2.4.4 version, for the moment.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: bluehz on Dec 05, '11 10:43:50AM

Wish you could also do this with Preview.app - unfortunately Preview.app from SL won't run on Lion for some reason.

I applaud the versioning system introduced with these new apps - but for me personally it adds several steps to what was once some simple procedures from modifying files.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: leamanc on Dec 05, '11 12:58:50PM

I'd guess that the system frameworks that Preview depends upon are too different between Snow Leopard and Lion.

It's a given that TextEdit uses some system frameworks too, but some more simple ones, like rich text and HTML processing, spell checking, etc., that must not be that different between Snow Leopard and Lion.

Or it could be as simple as the .plist prefs file for Preview in Lion could contain some key-value pairs that are new, and therefore freaking out the old version of Preview when you launch it..I suppose the real answer is in Console.app if you really want to find out why it doesn't work!



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: ademsemir on Dec 06, '11 03:01:33AM

Would anyone like to share their SL TextEdit please. I did a fresh reinstall of Lion so I don't have SL anymore. Thanks.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: Storm608 on Dec 06, '11 06:41:13AM

"Duplicate" does NOT work as "Save As". You can't change the encoding, for example, as you can with "Save As".

Besides losing "Save As" you also lose the very nice Find window. What's replaced the SL Find in the Lion version is trash.

To remove the Lion version, select the file and "Get Info". Click on the lock and enter your administrator password. Then add "Administrators" to the "Sharing and Permissions" list and allow the admin user to "Read and Write" and click the lock again. You can then delete the file and copy over the SL version, naming it "TextEdit". Don't forget to go into DU and repair permissions after you've finished.

If you don't delete the file from the Lion drive, TextEdit 10.7 will always be the default app when opening text or RTF files, even if you rename the file and change the "Open with..." to the SL version.

I saved a copy of the Lion version of TextEdit to an external drive.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: Anonymous on Dec 10, '11 07:57:22AM

You haven't even tried it, have you?

You File->Duplicate first, then when you go to File->Save… (note the ellipsis, implying a dialog; as opposed to "Save a Version"), you get to name the file and choose the encoding.

The toolbar find / replace function works very well. How exactly is it "trash"? I mean, if you're doing something demanding, you'll buy something like Textmate, won't you? … Won't you?



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: n781lc on Dec 06, '11 10:56:13AM

What is wrong with clicking File>SAVE and filling out the box for "SAVE AS" ???



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: leamanc on Dec 06, '11 12:44:03PM

That only works for the first time you save the file. If you want to save a copy with a different name, you have to use Duplicate now, which is mostly the same, but truly duplicates the file as-is at the time you do it. As others have mentioned, sometimes in doing a Save As, you might want to change encoding, or save in a different format, which is not possible with Duplicate.



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: barryjaylevine on Dec 11, '11 09:30:07PM

I'm the original poster.

Snow Leopard version of TextEdit: First time you save is actually a "save as...". Then I want to open the file again, make a few changes, print it, quit without saving changes. Done.

Lion version of TextEdit: First time you save is actually a "save as...". Then I want to open the file again and, in order to prevent Lion from modifying my file I have to immediately select "Duplicate" but, if I forget and make a change to the file before selecting "Duplicate" I have to negotiate a dialog which asks whether I want to save the file before duplicating it or discarding the changes before duplicating it. Then I name the new file. Then I can finish making whatever changes I wanted and print the new file. I then quit TextEdit and I'm done...but I'm not because I have an extra file I didn't want in the first place so I have to remember to trash that file from wherever I saved it.

And this nonsense is supposed to be progress??? Hell; the PC fanboys may be right - Lion is Apple's Vista.

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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: everkleer80 on Dec 13, '11 01:32:42PM

I do agree that not having a Save As option is nonsence, especially since most, if not all, 3rd party programs use Save As instead of this new paradigm, and many will probably never be changed.

That being said, I just wanted to say I'm not sure if all your steps above are necessary...

First, I think you may be able to accomplish your goal without even chosing Duplicate; I think after you open the file, you could just make your changes, print, then use Versions (click the little triangle that you will see when you move the mouse over the document title in the title bar) to revert back to the previous copy.

Also, if you do use Duplicate, then why Save the new copy? If your goal is to delete the new copy when you're done anyway, then why not Duplicate, modify, print, close (and choose Don't Save when prompted)?



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: sipatel on Jan 12, '12 07:35:58PM

Great minds think alike -- I've been using the SL version of TextEdit since Lion came out and have renamed the SL version TextEditSL and have posted this "hint" in various Mac forums.

I use this together with Services (New TextEdit Window Containing Selection) when I wish to copy & save a lots of text from a web page -- you have to run TextEditSL before you use this workaround, otherwise it just opens in TextEdit (Lion).



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Like to use TextEdit? Hate not having Save as...?
Authored by: lion_user on Jan 14, '12 08:21:36AM

This is not anything new that can't be gleaned above, but just to clarify, if you have both versions of TextEdit installed because you don't want to delete the Lion version, there are at least two ways of getting a document to open with the old TextEdit when you double-click on it:

1) Option-control-click the document icon and set the document to "Always Open With" the old TextEdit. As noted above, you can't use the Get Info dialog to "Change All" TextEdit documents to open with the old TextEdit, it just reverts back to the new TextEdit, but you seem to be able to do it on a document-by-document basis

2) If the old TextEdit is _already open_, then double clicking on any document will open in it rather than launching the Lion TextEdit. If you set the old TextEdit to launch on login and discipline yourself not to quit it, that could work also.



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