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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store Apps
Snow Leopard only hintYou should know before installing Bare Bones's TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store that the version there has the command line tools and authenticated saves removed in order to comply with Apple's terms of use. See their FAQ. The relevant passage:

"In BBEdit and TextWrangler, authenticated saves (the ability to save changes to files that you do not own) and the command-line tools are not available in the App Store versions, in order to comply with Apple’s submission guidelines.

For customers using BBEdit or TextWrangler purchased from the Mac App Store, we have installers available which will install the command-line tools in your system. Please note that these are only for use with versions of BBEdit or TextWrangler obtained from the Mac App Store, and are not suitable for use otherwise.

We are currently at work on a solution for authenticated saves; if this affects you, please watch this space for developments."

You can still download both the programs and the command-line tool installers from the Bare Bones website.

[crarko adds: This is a useful heads-up warning. The implication is that getting other developer tools or administration utilities through the Mac App Store may have these limitations as well. A lot of people use TextWrangler and make use of authenticated saves when implementing some of the hints presented here, as an alternative to command-line text editors. It's a necessary feature in my estimation.]
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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: eddy_k on Jan 12, '11 09:49:14AM

Is it known if these limitations are true for updates of TextWrangler made through the AppStore?



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: asmeurer on Jan 12, '11 03:56:54PM

Probably they are. TextWrangler has its own updating mechanism ("Check for Updates" from the TextWrangler menu), though hopefully Bare Bones won't remove it because of the App Store.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: everkleer80 on Jan 13, '11 09:43:29AM

I don't think you can get updates through the app store unless you purchased/downloaded through the app store in the first place (so you don't need to worry about these features suddenly dissapearing from your software.) As others have pointed out, if the app store was able to update non-app store purchases, then that could lead to Apple updating pirated software.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: eddy_k on Jan 13, '11 01:51:36PM

" don't think you can get updates through the app store unless you purchased/downloaded through the app store"
That's what happened to me! TextWrangler was installed before (downloaded from the developer site) and the App Store proposed the update....



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: everkleer80 on Jan 13, '11 04:37:15PM

Really? It never tried to update mine... And I wouldn't think Apple would be allowed to update software that they didn't sell you...



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: dgkanter on Jan 12, '11 02:59:31PM

Just downloaded TextWrangler from the App Store and it launched OK. It reports being version 3.5.2 (2888) of Sat, 08 Jan 2011, and shows as "Installed" in the App Store. Quite TextWrangler and downloaded from the developer's site, and un-ZIP'd, the Install TextWrangler Command-Line Tools.pkg and launched it. After the usual "continues", "install", and entering my password, it then reported "The installation failed. An unknown installation error occurred."

David



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: asmeurer on Jan 12, '11 04:03:35PM

I think it's easier to just delete the App Store version of TextWrangler and re-download the whole thing from Bare Bones. After all, it's free, so you don't have to worry about your license not transferring as with BBEdit.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: asmeurer on Jan 12, '11 04:13:04PM
My original hint title was "Do not install TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store." I see it has been tamed down a little bit.

This really put me off from the Mac App Store when I found this out (thanks to the commenter on the App Store for pointing it out). I now feel I should completely avoid using it, even just for updates, unless I only want to get dumbed down version of my favorite programs. edit is probably my third most typed command in the work I do (after git and open). I don't know what part of Apple's terms of service prevent a power user tool like TextWrangler from installing command line tools or doing authenticated saves, but they should seriously consider changing it if they don't want to scare away their power user community (of which I think the majority of the readership of this site is part of). I swear, the day that I have to jailbreak my own Mac just to use it is the day I switch to Linux.
Edited on Jan 12, '11 04:15:08PM by asmeurer


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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: everkleer80 on Jan 13, '11 06:24:38AM

I love Apple, but unfortunately I don't they really care too much about their power user community. Most of the features they've implement seem to be aimed toward the more computer illiterate crowd, and Apple themselves doesn't offer many tools to make it easy for a power user. A good example is the severely limited control they offer over Time Machine - without doing Terminal magic or getting a third party utility, you have to stick to backing up every hour and you can't really tell what it's doing each time it backs up. (Most of the power tools available come from third parties, and it's often hard to find exactly what you want because of OS restrictions.) I would think Apple should care more about us though since I would think that a lot of their users are power users - after all, why would someone who doesn't care much about computers pay $1500 for a Mac when they can get the same specs on a PC for $500?



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: JiNt on Jan 13, '11 07:00:50AM

Guys! Quit referring to yourselves as "Power Users" if you can't figure out that the Mac App Store was not made for you. You guys can continue with normal app purchases and follow their update process. The Mac App Store is there to assist users who don't know where to look for software other than the shelves of Best Buy or Target. Users who rarely check for updates on their software. Users who don't know they can come to sites like this one for software reviews and advice.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: crarko on Jan 13, '11 07:47:12AM

I wouldn't normally consider that type of user as the target market for BBEdit.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: JiNt on Jan 14, '11 02:10:42PM

I agree but then people would cry because Apple is limiting the type of apps.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: everkleer80 on Jan 17, '11 09:04:49AM

I would like to see the full versions of these available, but if Apple will not allow them, then I think BareBones should not have included them from the App Store - mainly so users that want the extra features and are unaware of these limitations don't purchase them through the App Store, but also why are they rewarding Apple for making them cripple their software? Aside from this, they should've at least appended some word like 'lite' or 'limited' to the app titles.

But speaking of apps not being available in the store, where are Dropbox and 1Password? These are always the first two apps I download on any iOS device, and the first two I expected to see in the store.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: asmeurer on Jan 13, '11 01:19:30PM

Well, the App Store has finally implemented something that even I, as power user, have been waiting for for a long time, which is a unified updating mechanism for third party applications. But if updating through the App Store is going to cripple my most used programs, then it is completely useless.

And by the way, I would rather pay for an application through the App Store than through PayPal. That has nothing to do with me being a power user or not.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: JiNt on Jan 14, '11 02:15:24PM

Understand the two added benefits of a single payment venue and updating method but the App Store is still not for users looking for Power Apps like TextMate, BBEdit, etc... I truly believe that Apple's restrictions are to provided the non techie an easy to use environment just like all of it's iOS devices.



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10.6: Limitations of TextWrangler or BBEdit from the Mac App Store
Authored by: leamanc on Jan 15, '11 07:45:18PM

As a long time BBEdit user (like, since the first Clinton presidency), it's probably my favorite app of all time. After the App Store announcement, and some time after that upon hearing that Bare Bones was going to put their wares in the App Store, my first thought was, "I bet Apple's rules about apps not installing other apps" will be a problem for BBEdit and TextWrangler's command line tools.

I had hoped that Apple could review each app on a case-by-case basis and approve at least some apps to install CLI tools. I see from this hint that is not happening yet. I still hold out hope that they will implement such a process down the road. For me, it doesn't come down to "power user" or not. I recommend TextWrangler for a lot of folks that I wouldn't call power users, just because of it's awesome text-wrangling capabilities. It just comes down to developers making the best app they can. It may take a while, but I believe Apple will see the light on this some time down the road.

If an app's CLI tools pretty much just launch the GUI version of the app, there's not much potential there for danger, now is there? Common sense will prevail in the end...hopefully...



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