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The site's fully-qualified domain name changed yesterday from www.macosxhints.com to hints.macworld.com.

DNS redirection should be taking place automatically but you will want to update your bookmarks. You may also need to update saved login credentials to reflect the new domain.

Please let me know if you encounter any difficulties resulting from the changeover.

Thanks!
Craig

P.S. The MacOSXHints forums will be changing as well: hintsforums.macworld.com.
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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: crarko on Aug 19, '10 08:16:15AM

I see the RSS and Twitter feeds are a little wonky this morning, republishing some older items. I think this is a one-time bit of fallout from the change.

Sorry about that.

Craig



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: fbitterlich on Aug 19, '10 08:30:27AM

Just FYI... The RSS feed's URL still points to "feeds.macosxhints.com"; not sure if you want to change that too...



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: crarko on Aug 19, '10 09:18:55AM

OK, that is on the list to get changed, but is not what caused the one-time hint republishing issue.

Thanks for pointing it out, though.



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But what's the point?
Authored by: gabester on Aug 19, '10 08:27:30AM

Wow. Why? Budget's so tight at MacWorld they can't afford the $10/year to keep www.macosxhints.com? Or did some marketroid or phb decide that it was better to tighten the grip of brand ownership on the site while convoluting its meaning via obscured subdomains?

It's unfortunate, because while I realize that MacWorld's owned the site for some time, I really liked the layout. I'm sure that integrating it into the MacWorld's template is not too far in the distant future and at that time my daily visits will probably cease... as will the ability to do things like effectively search the site for useful hints and meaningful content. Much like when MacFixit paywalled many years ago and ceased to be useful within about 6 months.

C'est la vie, no? Everybody's got to make a buck, or die trying...
g=



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But what's the point?
Authored by: morespace54 on Aug 19, '10 09:05:13AM

Not that it really matters (as long as the content and hints are still relevant) but I can't help wonder why?
macosxhints is kind of well known by now...



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But what's the point?
Authored by: renaultssoftware on Aug 19, '10 09:06:51AM

Macosxhints is a Mecca now!

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But what's the point?
Authored by: crarko on Aug 19, '10 09:21:03AM

My understanding is that it's a bookkeeping thing. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.



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But what's the point?
Authored by: woodgie on Aug 19, '10 04:12:35PM

And that's the problem. Really, it is.

Shakespear wrote "...What's in a name..?"

Well a lot, actually.

Yes I know that MacWorld has owned the site for a while now but it was still good old MasOSXHints.com, the place where I went to solve many a problem, why? Because folks were friendly there and they served a good pint.

But now they've gone and ripped out the broken chairs, the stained wooden bartop has been replaced with a shiny new metal one and the lightbulb near the gents has been changed at last. All worthwhile and good changes no one will argue that.

But changing the name?

Please tell the bookkeepers they're wrong to do this. This one, little insignificant thing holds more significance than they realise.

MacOSXHints.com wasn't broken, our Macs were. Why have they tried to fix it?



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But what's the point?
Authored by: crarko on Aug 19, '10 04:29:25PM

I thought Jason's post was in pretty clear, readable language.

Still gotta pay the bills.


Robert A Heinlein said: "TANSTAAFL."

Edited on Aug 19, '10 04:30:44PM by crarko



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But what's the point?
Authored by: garythemacguy on Aug 20, '10 03:36:39AM

Bad move, for reasons already mentioned in various other posts.

In my opinion, while parts of the Macworld brand are good, other parts suck. MaxOSXHints is a generally great resource whose perceived value is now diluted by the more pronounced Macworld association.

> I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

I had to go to the trouble of finding my account credentials to log back in again so that I could participate. I imagine that a lot of people simply won't have bothered, so you're not really getting a full measure of the community's reaction.

Time for a new poll, perhaps?



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Anonymous on Aug 19, '10 09:22:15AM
Hint: Firefox no longer remembers username and password for macosxhints.com

Solution: That's because it's no longer macosxhints.com anymore. The domain changed -- unannounced -- to some random ASCII garbage.

By all means, go ahead. Make things easier on yourselves. It's only your users who you broke...

Edited on Aug 19, '10 09:22:52AM by


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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: jsnell on Aug 19, '10 09:35:05AM

Hi guys,

The short version is, these days sites get judged by advertisers and marketers based on roll-up domain traffic. Totally unfair, but there it is. We can talk about how many people read all the Macworld sites, but nobody will listen unless they're all under one domain. By putting macosxhints.com inside macworld.com, we can count all Hints and Macworld traffic together.

That's pretty much the whole story. It's a permanent redirect to hints.macworld.com, but it's not phase one of any multi-phase project to change the site. I do think that we need to consider changing the software we use to host Hints to one that's more actively developed, so that it can stay secure and safe and functional. But that's down the road a bit, and the intent is to keep Hints as Hints. It works well. That's why we didn't change it after we bought it, and why we brought in a community member (Craig Arko) to run it after Rob moved on to Many Tricks.

-jason

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Jason Snell, Editor, Macworld



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Anonymous on Aug 19, '10 10:23:40AM

Well, go ahead and subtract one from your traffic count. It's unfortunate how far the site has slid just in the last couple of months. Hopefully you won't also kill off the forums with a MacWorld template. C'est la vie...



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: MJCube on Aug 20, '10 10:45:11AM

+1: –1.
I don’t like how the character of the site has changed, and this will probably be my last login.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Aeschylus on Aug 19, '10 01:24:51PM

Jason,
I appreciate what you wrote, and I know that you value this site. That said, I would like to remind you of the sad decline of MacFixit after CNET absorbed it. We users feel a sense of identity with the site, and it could be lost when it becomes more integrated into MacWorld. If this site changes enough, well then someone else will probably just reinvent it under a unique name that we are comfortable with.

If the FQDN change is not part of a plan to change the essence of MacOS X Hints, please consider keeping the same title on the home page and continuing the user experience that has been so valuable to many of us for so long. With redirection, I could ignore the FQDN change. If you change the heart and soul of the site, we'll all lose.

I like MacWorld a lot, but I like this site even better. Thanks for listening.

Edited on Aug 19, '10 01:26:44PM by Aeschylus



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: marook on Aug 19, '10 01:43:37PM

Jason wrote:
"The short version is, these days sites get judged by advertisers and marketers based on roll-up domain traffic."

Forgive me, but That is one lame excuse! Someone with the logs is one lazy boy..
And though I don't know the traffic numbers for this site, I would bet it can be run on a Mac mini server. So don't tell me it's the hosting expenses that 'force' you into combining this site with MacWorld's..

It would be the same as saying Apple needs to stop using Akamai for local caching, as those hits would not 'count in the roll-up domain traffic'.. give me a break!

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/Marook



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: DamnItsHot on Aug 19, '10 04:34:44PM
Jason,
I enjoy MacWorld - it is one of my 'Daily' websites (a tab set that loads what I want as my core for the day) - it loads right beside MacOSXHints. I think had you guys actually thought this out that naming it MacOSXHints.Macworld.com would have made more sense. Now before you argue that the Mac part is redundant, or that the hints are for far more than just Mac OSX keep in mind the name of the parent publication.

There certainly was a large amount of value/goodwill in the name MacOSXHints - I just can't see why you would toss that out the window. I know when I saw a reference in an article or a posting that mentioned MacOSXHints as the source, etc. I added a lot of credibility to it. I just don't feel that way when I read that it comes from MacWorld. MacOSXHints built a reputation based on collecting a knowledge base from those in the trenches - not those in the grand stands.

I would very strongly recommend that you keep the name MacOSXHints and keep the redirect working. I also think you should do whatever it takes to pump the quality up as it has sagged in the last few months (nothing against Craig A.). I know I would like to see more than one hint a day and that I would like to see a larger variety than what we have been seeing. Please don't let this slip away into oblivion and obscurity.

Onward thru the FOG!
jOhn

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: ashpole on Aug 19, '10 09:58:33AM

That's a sad change. We were also told that MacFixit would be maintained to a high quality but has deteriorated in a downward spiral.

Let's hope this site doesn't go the same way.

Long live MacOSXHints!



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: asmeurer on Aug 19, '10 11:11:02AM

Well, chalk me up as one who thinks that it should stay as macosxhints.com. Maybe the change seems superficial, after all, it's only the url of the site, but to me, it just feels like the beginning death of what once was macosxhints.com.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: robleach on Aug 19, '10 12:27:21PM

Your name is your identity. It's your notoriety. It's valuable. Continuity is important. Perhaps you should consult your user community before making changes like this. Rob said that as long as you realize that it's the community that's important, it'll be just fine. Don't forget that.

So what am I going to call this site now? "hints dot macworld dot com"? I have nothing against macworld, but I don't identify with it. I identify with macosxhints.com. It's the place I go when I have a technical mac issue.

Rob



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: asmeurer on Aug 19, '10 02:29:37PM

Well said, my friend.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: ThomPatterson on Aug 19, '10 02:55:35PM

Couldn't agree more. This renaming process should have involved the community's input.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: renaultssoftware on Aug 21, '10 06:10:00AM

Brilliant idea. Them doing that was dropping a bomb without consulting the populace.

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http://qgf.in/
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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Andrew J Freyer on Aug 19, '10 03:22:44PM

I really do not understand the hate here - to no longer using a site because it slightly modifies its name? Sounds like your loyalty was to a brand and not the content. I find that position to be absurd.

Frankly, it shouldn't matter what a website is called so long as the content is valuable. Thanks to search engines, everyone anywhere looking for answers to their Mac issues will still be able to find this site, and because of the redirect, so will everyone who had a bookmark. How many of you would have noticed but for this disclosure?

My advice is to turn your passions to a more worthwhile cause.

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Easier location-based computing: with Airport Location, app for 10.6. It's an early Beta, so please report bugs!



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: robleach on Aug 19, '10 04:25:35PM

But the content is from the community, that's why identity is so important. That's why when big companies merge, they keep the more valuable name. A reputation is built up associated with that name. What if McDonald's changed it's name to "Bert's Burger Bowl". Anyone driving down the strip is gonna stop at Burger King because they don't recognize "Bert's Burger Bowl". Political candidates can get elected on "name recognition" alone. I'm not "hating" here. I'm gonna keep coming. I'm not that fickle, but I think it's worth a discussion.

There's a subtle, but important connection being made here in people's heads. They discover something cool on this site called macosxhints.com, then they discover another cool thing. Before you know it, they start mentioning it to friends. Somewhere down the line, someone who's never used macosxhints.com before goes to look for it, but they end up somewhere else and think "I guess it went away" or "someone else bought it out" and they move on.

I want to support this site because I read it every day. I want more people to contribute. A lot of the sense of community is tied up in the name, whether it makes sense to you or not. What if someone renamed your favorite pet that you've had for years? Would it feel weird to you to call it something else? That's because it's your pet and you didn't rename it, someone else did. It doesn't feel right. Maybe we can get used to it, but my point is that the site is the community, so the community's sense of identification with the site is important and something a company should try to cultivate because it benefits them.

I sympathize with Craig and I don't doubt he's doing his best. Perhaps I'm wrong - I hope so - but I think changing the name is not the best of ideas. I'll be interested to see where this goes.

Rob



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: paul h on Aug 19, '10 05:45:46PM

I'd say you guys really screwed up here on this one.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: roncross@cox.net on Aug 19, '10 06:47:55PM

Why do I feel like a frog that has just been thrown in a pot of warm water over a lo simmering fire. Will I jump out when I notice the water starts to boil?

I hope so!

Listen folks, if you work in a corporation like I do, then you never know the true intentions of why they are doing what they are doing. Only they know and when you find out, there is nothing you can do about it anyway. So just go with the flow. I agree that the name is important but that's not the issue. They, Macworld, want and needs to sell magazine subscriptions to pay the bills. To that end, if they are able to keep the readership and content of high quality, then they will drive some of us to their subscription. This is what they are banking on.

Mac OS X Hints and the forum by itself isn't enough to achieve this. By putting it under the MacWorld domain, they get closer to reaching that objective but the risk is that this excellent site will begin to degenerate into oblivion. This site and neither the forum doesn't pay their bills. Magazine sells do!

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Sad day!
Authored by: rgray on Aug 20, '10 06:26:53AM

'Tis a sad day. I wondered how long this would take when Rob first joined up with MacWorld. I never had much use for the paper version of the magazine as everything printed in it was pretty much old news before it hit the street. 'Mac OSX Hints' is, or should I say was, an historic name in the annals of OSX.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: kevans on Aug 20, '10 07:34:22AM

Sic transit gloria mundi.

English translation: We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: infodriveway on Aug 20, '10 07:38:12AM
PS: It’s Macworld, not MacWorld. K thnx.

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: jsnell on Aug 20, '10 10:08:58AM

Honestly, the top motivator in shortening the name was that macosxhints.macworld.com is a lot of characters to type.

Yes, the more iOS and app hints that get posted here, the more mis-fit the name is. (That's true of Macworld too, by the way!)

Life is change. But those of you who point to MacFixIt and Cnet, what I'd say is this: First, we've owned this site for more than five years. In that time the big change was that we stuck a new header on the top of the site. When Rob left of his own accord, we decided to bring someone on from the community to manage it, rather than bringing in an outsider.

I'm not happy about the volume of hints on the site right now, but as Rob himself will tell you, in between OS revisions the queue can get pretty dry. If we filled that gap with more tips about Mac apps and maybe even iOS stuff, we'd solve the volume problem but other people would complain that we were diluting Hints with stuff that's outside the core.

But that's all beside the point. This change was made largely because, as someone upthread pointed out, people in the ad-buying business (especially at large ad agencies) are not interested in doing even basic math and rolling up multiple domains. We can rail about how stupid that is—and believe me, I have—but in the end, what it means is that selling Macworld.com + MacOSXHints.com is not as effective to the people who have the money as selling Macworld.com containing the sum total of both sites.

If you would like to see this as a sign of the apocalypse, and me as some kind of corporate tool who has come in here to lie to your face, I guess that's your right. :-) I think Macworld's heart is in the right place when it comes to Hints. And has been for more than half its existence, if my math is right!

The best way to make Hints safe and secure for years to come is to make sure it's appreciably contributing to its company's bottom line. The more valuable Hints is, the more people will listen to me when I make a case to invest in it, whether that's upgrading the servers, or hiring people to edit and produce hints, or improving categorizations, or any other thing beyond keeping the lights on.

As for having another survey, yes, we will probably do more. I'm hoping that as a result of this change and the increased perceived value it gives Hints in my offices here, I can start lobbying for new features and other nice stuff -- and at that point we will want to know what all of you want and where you want the site to go. Which is why our first survey got us to understand who you all actually are. Thanks for that, by the way.

-jason

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Jason Snell, Editor, Macworld



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: crarko on Aug 20, '10 11:04:59AM
Thanks for that, Jason. And to all those who provided thoughtful comments, thanks as well. I'll probably unstick this thread on Monday.

The timing of the change came as a bit of a surprise to me, too. But since I want the site to continue to provide a useful service, and understand something needs to pay for that, I can cope. I'm confident you all can too.

I'd also like to pass on a personal favorite hint of mine, for everyone's future consideration when posting comments, on this and the other Hints published here. Yeah, I do take notice.

Craig A.

P.S. If I thought this was going to turn out like CNet/MacFixIt, I'd have never taken the position. I have friends who were screwed over in that debacle.

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Thank You for Reasonable Explanations
Authored by: petersconsult on Aug 21, '10 07:11:06AM

I'd also like to join the few users here who accept what Jason and Craig said at face value; and i'll take this opportunity to thank them for really communicating with us on this.
What happened to MacFixIt when Cnet took over was a sham; i had no particular vested interest (except my subscription), but i was really bummed to have lost a daily ritual out all the same (in fact, i'm still bummed out!).
I think it's understandable for us to have the knee-jerk reaction of thinking that these are the first signs of the same thing happening.
But I also understand the reasons and, when it comes down to it, as long as my bookmark called MacOSXHints bears some resemblance to this site's name (and that it takes me to it!), i think you should do what you think is right.
One thing though: isn't there a thing called ghost redirect or something like that so that you can have urlA redirect to urlB but while retaining the name urlA in the browser?
Anyway..
You can still count on this avid reader (and sometimes poster) to keep coming around with the same regularity!
Thank you,
Peter



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Anonymous on Aug 20, '10 12:41:54PM

You refer to Mac OS X Hints as just plain "Hints". That the new name, is it?



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Authored by: hamarkus on Aug 20, '10 04:34:22PM

Jason, now tell me which of these four things you mention:
- upgrading the servers, or
- hiring people to edit or
- to produce hints, or
- improving categorizations
has contributed the most to macosxhints succes/status?
None of the above, it's all about the goodwill the people actually coming up with the hints perceive as receiving. Yes, some selection and some editing is necessary but the better the submitters are motivated, the better the submitted hints will be, the more in tune with what is needed to keep/make this a great site. I could not care less about categorisation and I certainly don't want full-time stuff 'producing' hints. Hiring more staff to edit hints certainly won't do anything to increase the submission rate.

Upgrading the servers and the software is certainly a reason that in the end justifies any means (but then we might just move all of macosxhints onto something like sourceforge if all we needed would be free server space).


Edited on Aug 20, '10 04:39:03PM by hamarkus



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Peter Maurer on Aug 20, '10 10:51:39AM

I can see how a lot of users have become emotionally attached to both the site's name and domain, and I'm definitely one of them.

But apart from Macworld having to pay the bills, there's another point that can be made in favor of moving the site and maybe, in a few years, after much consideration, renaming the whole thing eventually: Not only has this site outgrown the scope of Mac OS X years ago, there's also no guarantee Apple's desktop OS will be named "Mac OS X" forever. So the old domain was bound to become a nostalgic reference at some point, and the longer I think about it, the more I prefer it to have a more timeless name instead.

After all, I definitely want the former macosxhints.com to outlive that somewhat dated OS name. :)

(Full diclosure: I am friends with a certain MacOSXHints user named "robg", and I actually work with him, too. The thoughts I'm outlining above are not consciously affected by that, though.)



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Anonymous on Aug 20, '10 12:53:15PM

Correct. When the site started including iPod hints, it was a useful temporary home for them. When that extended to telephone usage, it was already getting wearisome. Of course, now we have tips for using the new portable picture frame. It's separation of those that's long overdue -- not changing the domain!

So. Follow through. Make the changes!

osx.hints.macworld.com
ios.hints.macworld.com
ipod.hints.macworld.com

Oh, and:

itsinthemanual.hints.macworld.com for your "select all" and "date & time" type hints.

Edited on Aug 20, '10 12:54:11PM by



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Authored by: j-beda on Aug 20, '10 01:36:18PM

That's not a bad idea.
hints.macworld could have everything and the others could be more focused.

macosx.hints.macworld.com would even "contain" the whole original name.





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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: hamarkus on Aug 20, '10 04:11:40PM

Imagine the car company Jaguar would have been re-named Tatra UK after being bought by Tatra. That would not have been a great idea.
The opposite example is SoundJam being bought by Apple and turned into iTunes. But then the domain for iTunes is not 'tunes.apple.com' or 'sound.apple.com', it is apple.com/itunes. iTunes was enough of a re-invention (at least in UI terms) even at version 1.0 and certainly since then. The brand/product was re-named but not killed.

It is one thing to bring all your brands/products into one domain but it is another thing to kill a brand all together. And no, 'hints' is not a brand, it is a category. Ever noticed that the URL for the AppleStore is simply apple.com/retail and not 'apple.com/applestore'? The Apple Store is not a brand, it is part of the Apple brand, whereas the Mac, the iPod, iPhone, etc. are brands on their own.

Whether it was a conscious or subconscious decision, stripping the 'maxosxhints' from the URL was motivated by wanting to kill the separate personality of macosxhints. It is an experiment in trying to transfer some of the assets of the brand 'macosxhints' onto the brand 'macworld'. 'Macosxhints was/is about a certain state of mind, it is unlikely that 'hints.macworld' can achieve the same, at best it will be something different but of equal usefulness.

I am sorry if I sound cynical, it is probably because deep inside I feel that's what this change is about.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: zane on Aug 20, '10 05:45:59PM

The sad thing... it will be the exodus of the contributors that can't accept the name change that will affect the quality and future of 'Hints'.

For nothing more than nostalgic reasons, I'm sad to see the URL go. But really, I'm here for the content and the community. Can't we as the community just keep this thing humming along with quality hints, just like we always have? It is we, the contributing community, that have made this site great. Don't be so quick to abandon your brethren.

As a registered user and contributor since 2004, I'm not about to abandon a site I've visited everyday for 6 years, which is more than any other site I have ever read since using the internet. Should things change for the worse with this site, my daily daily routine will probably change too, and I'll lament this day. But until then, life goes on, business as usual.

Looking forward to tomorrows hints.



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Authored by: tedw on Aug 20, '10 06:47:39PM

well, I don't know if I'll go exodusing right away (if that's a word), but now that we're under the MacWorld label I'm starting to feel - as one of the more regular contributors to the forum - that maybe I should be getting a paycheck. It's one thing to give free computer advice over the internet, but quite another to give free computer advice so that someone else can pay their rent.

I'm joking, of course, but only just so... ;-)

Edited on Aug 20, '10 06:48:20PM by tedw



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Authored by: crarko on Aug 20, '10 07:28:12PM

Out of curiosity, how do you think it's worked for the past 5 years?

I've been associated with the forums here since Rob, Phil, John, and I created them in 2001. Oddly, I've never suggested charging people the rates I do in my consulting practice to help out, but did remind folks to not be rude or jerks to those who were there trying to help them out for free.



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Authored by: tedw on Aug 20, '10 07:40:00PM

I'm sure it worked exactly the same way, it's just more salient now. What can I say, I'm a creature of momentary impressions...

It's all good, I just felt the urge to climb on the moan-wagon with everyone else. Personally I see it as Buddhism in action: i.e., that the two constants of life are (1) everything will ultimately change, and (2) someone will be annoyed by it when it does. Consider this a dharma-whine. =D



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: crarko on Aug 20, '10 07:42:10PM

I'm OK with that.

The implication of some of the other posts that people are being lied to is beginning to really tick me off, though.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: hamarkus on Aug 21, '10 05:40:21AM

If you refer to my post, it is simply that posting on 'hints.macworld' feels I am supporting 'macworld', that I am adding value to the brand 'macworld' (which is absolutely the case, both generally and in the narrow sense advertisers see it).
An extreme example, assume Google would be supporting Wikipedia and then changed the URL to wiki.google.com. How well would that work?
Why do people prefer the macosxhints forums to discussions.apple? Because they have a sense of ownership, they feel pride about it.

There is the money and there is the credit. Macworld might make money out of macosxhints (or it might not) and people mostly do not object as it isn't any money that is taken away from them or not given to them. But the more credit Macworld gets, somewhat less credit goes to the contributors.

That is why people feel bad about this change, much much more so then when macosxhints went under the Macworld umbrella the first time (I just checked the comments on this announcement, they were unanimously positive).



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: marksch on Aug 20, '10 06:51:59PM

This is real sad. The site is moving from a non-commercial service with a great image and reputation to a commercial service owned by a media tycoon. With commercial services, people will always wonder if there's a catch. Shame. Big shame.

Mark

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: crarko on Aug 20, '10 07:29:45PM

The irony of this comment coming from someone with signature spam is not lost.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: DamnItsHot on Aug 24, '10 10:22:53AM

ROTFL! My thoughts exactly. Hard to what I read believe sometimes.



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Jeez, people! Take a Valium or something!
Authored by: leamanc on Aug 20, '10 08:28:43PM

The uproar over this is just ridiculous. Yes, I can see how folks might see it as a first step toward absorbing more of OS X Hints into Macworld, to the point where it is diluted and no longer the same.

But Macworld Editor Jason Snell has posted in this thread twice to explain that it is not the case, and I gotta believe him. Not because I know Jason personally or am a fan of his or anything like that, but he brought up some valid points and I encourage everyone to take a chill pill, come back and re-read his posts.

Don't forget that Macworld bought macosxhints.com five years ago. If they were going to do to macosxhints what CNet did to MacFixIt, it would have happened a long time ago! As corporate parents go, Macworld has been very, very good to macosxhints. They have mostly left it alone, and let it continue more or less as a community-driven site, with only a few minor changes to monetize it.

He also makes some good points about keeping the site healthy going forward. Nobody is talking big changes yet, but let's face it--Geeklog was fine when this was just a hobby site ran by a dedicated volunteer who was learning OS X and Unix along with the rest of us Mac lifers. But it's not an incredibly robust platform, now is it? It's a real PITA to implement anything that is not in its available templates, requiring so much extra coding that you might as well build a custom site. I'm surprised the site has lasted as long as it has in this framework. I'm not bagging on the Geeklog folks, but it is what it is--it's meant for smaller, lower-traffic sites.

And I do believe we're going to have to get more iOS hints flowing through the site, and just generally branch out to where's Apple focus is at these days. Even two years ago, it seems that OS X took up the majority of Apple's development time, but now it's probably split 50/50 between iOS and OS X. This is a good thing. Remember what Steve Jobs said a couple years before he came back to Apple, when asked what he would do if he were running Apple. "I'd milk the Macintosh for all its worth, and then move on to the next big thing." Apple is in that phase now, and while Macs have held their own against the next big thing, the company has changed tremendously.

And give Craig a break for the low volume of Insanely Great hints since he's came on board. We're three years into the Leopard era (Snow Leopard's biggest change was extreme optimization of the Intel platform). There's just not a whole lot left to discover about this OS.

Jason and Craig, just know that despite all the rage, there's someone out there who is reading what you said on the matter and is taking it at face value. It makes a lot of sense to me, and I trust you are being honest about your future plans for the site, because I do believe if you were going to fold into Macworld proper, it would have happened years ago.



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Jeez, people! Take a Valium or something!
Authored by: mantrid on Aug 20, '10 09:44:09PM

Interesting take.

An iOS Hints site sounds good in principle, but I wonder how such a thing will be in actuality. Unless you jailbreak, the bulk of the accessible functionality is provided by apps. So is this going to be just another apps review site? The built-in functionality can probably be described in a couple of weeks worth of hints, and then what are you going to do until the next revision? In fact, that sort of thing would be better suited to a proper Macworld writeup.

The complexity of OS X, and the power it provides is what makes the hints on macosxhints so useful. We'll see what 10.7 brings, but if Jobs is moving on to the next great thing and Apple themselves are going to increasingly neglect OS X in favor of iOS, perhaps Macworld should go the other way and declare that macosxhints has fulfilled its mandate and wind it down.



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Jeez, people! Take a Valium or something!
Authored by: hamarkus on Aug 21, '10 06:15:41AM

Maybe my biggest concern is that I do not have the impression that anybody of the responsible persons has a clear idea where they want to take this.

I am simply unable to believe that a URL like 'hints.macworld.com' can go along with the name 'Mac OS X Hints'. I cannot think of any example where this has been done before on a permanent basis.

I also fail to see what the difference between 'hintsforums.macworld.com' and 'forums.macworld.com' is. Why would anybody, people seeking or giving advice, prefer one over the other? Why would Macworld want to maintain two separate forums?

If there is no benefit in maintaining a separate name and identity why maintain it?



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: alset on Aug 21, '10 08:34:17AM

I appreciate the reasons given for this change, but it really is a poor decision. This site has been on a decline since Rob left, what with a higher level of posts that rehash information that has been declared in the past. Now, it will truly lose it's identity. This is a mistake.

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: tedw on Aug 21, '10 09:38:51AM
Alright people, this was fun for a bit, but now it's starting to get annoying. We are talking about a domain name change, which is the computer equivalent of changing the drawer you put your pencils in. It doesn't change the site, it has nothing to do with Craig, and the world is not turning any slower or faster because it happened. Granting it would probably have been better if someone had set up a poll or posted a thread about the change before the change happened (so that people could have had a chance to gripe in advance), but that didn't happen. I'm sure that everyone has learned their lesson and will do better in the future.

If you're still stressed over this, please follow doctor's orders: take two aspirin and call me when you get a life. Can we get back to more interesting things, now?

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: hamarkus on Aug 21, '10 12:54:56PM

Ok, would you continue to add to Wikipedia if they changed their URL to wiki.google.com? Or would you take that change as a sign that Google might have the intention to make changes to Wikipedia that go beyond a URL change? Like integrating the contents into some of its offerings?
Wouldn't this feel as if your volunteer work is an indirect endorsement of Google?

The problem is not the domain name change, the problem is what we have to assume motivated this domain name change.

Macosxhints was a strategic investment by Macworld. Apparently, macosxhints on its own does not generate enough money, and it is hoped for that partial merger would overall generate more income. At the moment, this partial merger is only about part of the name (the URL is part of the name), but it has been strongly alluded to that the software running the website might be the next step in this partial merger. Maybe it stops there but the main premise that a partial merger is hoped to generate overal more money than a totally separate product has clearly been made.

From this we can conclude three different things:
1) that an independent website either does not even cover its cost or
2) does not satisfy the profit margins expectations or
3) that a partially merged product is hoped to overall yield a better product by allowing more editorial work

I fail to see how conclusions one and two could be seen as good news. Conclusion three would be good news, the problem is that I just don't see how more editorial work would make the site better but maybe I am just not imaginative enough.

Edited on Aug 21, '10 12:58:18PM by hamarkus



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: tedw on Aug 21, '10 01:16:48PM

I don't really care what the site is called. Well, ok, if they redomained it as HotXXXMacAdvice.com I might get a little perturbed... And I don't really care who runs the site as long as (a) the site runs well, and (b) I don't get the sense I'm being used as slave labor. I don't much mind endorsing McWerld (or gügle if it came to that) - if they want to foot the bill for the site without expressly trying to make a profit off of me, I think that's fair enough.

And frankly (no offense to anyone) the software could use a decent overhaul. The forums are better structured than the hints section, and the hints section isn't that bad, but you can tell that the software is pushing its limits.

I'm content to wait and see. If this little change starts expanding into bigger changes, and those bigger changes start to annoy me, then I will go find another way to waste my time and that will be their loss. I'm pretty sure they're aware that this site would be nothing without the contributors, and so I'm pretty sure they will make appropriate efforts to keep contributors' good will. Either way, though, there's no sense fretting over what amounts to an accounting gambit.



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Authored by: crarko on Aug 21, '10 01:27:32PM

Yeah, I think Geeklog's days are numbered. It would be nice to have something with a decent search, and where we could integrate the user database with the forum's, so people don't have to register twice any more.

I hope some people enjoy those things.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: jchabuc on Aug 22, '10 05:27:45AM

Personally, I'm not overly concerned about a name change. I *am*, however, deeply concerned about how the quality of this site has slipped over the last few months. For years it has been on my daily tab -- the handful of sites I check every morning. Lately I've been questioning whether its time to move it off the A-list.

So for me, I could give a crap if the name changes as long as the content returns to where it was before the big shift. Sadly, it feels like the name change is just another indicator of where it's headed.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: cocoabean on Aug 22, '10 04:51:47PM

I don't know why everyone is so distraught by this. It's just a DNS entry. They probably had good server administrative related reasons for doing this. The new use of domain makes much more sense.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: chyna4xena on Aug 22, '10 05:01:54PM

The sense of entitlement of some people truly astounds me.

When contributing to this community, there is NO promise made that the site's domain name will remain the same, no promise that the site's name will remain the same, no promises at all, really. You contribute because you want to, not because of any guarantees made.

So the idea that a domain name change is a snub to contributors is false.

Furthermore, the idea that this is the start of some kind of slippery slope, is laughable. It's a domain name, for Pete's sake. You'd have to be an arch-conspiracy-theorist to believe that this is some kind of underhanded grab for ... well, anything ... by Macworld.

MacOSXHints rocks. It rocked before and it will continue to rock now that its domain name has changed. It will continue to rock even if its name changes. It will continue to rock even if a few contributors are so put out that they leave!

The sky is not falling.



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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: Anonymous on Aug 23, '10 11:02:05AM
Yeah, some people are exhibiting that American disease, aren't they? Entitlement.

My problem with the change is exactly your conclusion: the sky is not falling. Nothing has changed.

There is no relaunch. No recategorization of hints. No promise to stop publishing really useless hints like how to use the scrolling function of a trackpad with the player progress slider in iTunes. It's only getting harder to find the real gems among the cruft. No improvement to the commenting software to add rich-text capability. Nothing.

Nothing has changed. So why change the domain?

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FQDN change to hints.macworld.com
Authored by: jsnell on Aug 23, '10 06:21:20PM

Things changed when we bought the site and hired Rob.

Things changed when we changed the header and added a Macworld logo.

Things changed when Apple reduced the frequency of OS X updates.

Things changed when Rob gave his notice and went to do Many Tricks.

Things changed when we brought on Craig to manage the hints.

Things changed when we modified the domain name. (Though, I'll point out, not the name of the site.)

Life is change. If you don't think we have the site's best interests at heart, I guess there's not much I can do to change that. It is (and has been for the last five years) owned by a business, and sometimes business realities intervene. As things go, a URL shift is pretty darned mild.

I refer to Hints as Hints, and always have, because Mac Oh Ess Ten Hints (or worse, Mac Oh Ess Eks Hints) is a mouthful, and we all know what you mean when you say Hints. If you think that me calling the site Hints is a sign of the apocalypse (spoiler: it's not), go right ahead.

For those who would rather see the site have a more strict OS X focus, and even for those who wouldn't, one of my hopes is that in the future when we upgrade the site we might actually let you filter hints based on what they're about, so you can see just (wait for it) Mac OS X Hints, or iPhone Hints, or iPad Hints, or iLife Hints, or whatever. Again, that would be a change. Some people would hate it, some would love it, but I'm hoping that if we did something like that we'd be doing it for the right reasons and it would be something the community — of regular users, of hints submitters, of people who come in over the transom, of people who learned about this site by reading about it every month in Macworld — would end up liking.

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Authored by: mantrid on Mar 26, '11 02:51:58PM

Now that a few months have gone by, has anybody tried googling for an old hint you know exists using keywords with site:www.macosxhints.com? Don't turn up much anymore do he.

So what's the new thing again? macworld.hints.com, macosxhints.macworld.com or was it osxhints.macworld.com? Never mind, I'll just click the first hit and won't bother trying to narrow it down to this domain any more. Half the time, it's the same thing copypasted from here anyway.



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