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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces Apps
On 10.5, almost all Microsoft Office programs behaved badly with Spaces. They did not pin properly, the Toolbox would move without warning, etc.

It is impossible to say that this is completely fixed, but I can confirm that after many dozens of attempts to repeat this odd behavior on Snow Leopard, not once did Word, Excel or PowerPoint move Spaces unexpectedly.

So if you've given up on Spaces with Office, give it a try again after upgrading to Snow Leopard.
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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: mmnw on Sep 07, '09 07:58:32AM
This has actually been mentioned on the Microsoft MacBU Blog. They actually say "with the launch of Snow Leopard, the bulk of the Word 2008 Spaces issues have been fixed".
They don't say what hasn't been fixed. But it obviously sounds like there are some issues left. Perhaps if anyone finds out, they could report it somewhere.

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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: tsuribernstein on Sep 08, '09 09:55:15AM

Great, but do these fixes also apply to the older Office 2004. I have refused to install the "upgrade" (downgrade) to 2008 because of the lack of macros and VBA support.



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: sinX80 on Sep 07, '09 09:52:21AM

Actually, this has been fixed since 10.5.7. Trust me, it was the first thing I checked after updating!



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: Brock Lee on Sep 07, '09 11:07:29AM

Given that in my experience Microsoft Office is the only software that has had problems with Spaces, I'd concluded that it was Microsoft's fault. It was probably that Microsoft had decided to use some homegrown intermediate GUI layer that didn't take into account Spaces.

So now I'm surprised to learn that an update by Apple (whether it's 10.5.7 or 10.6) has fixed the problem. Did Apple put some Microsoft-specific code in the OS to fix Microsoft's bugs? Or was the problem Apple's all along?

Can someone explain this?



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: palahala on Sep 07, '09 12:01:12PM
Yup, I think it was Apple's problem. Some Microsoft engineer explained in much detail a year ago, from which quoted:

When people talk about the "Formatting Palette" in Office 2008, they usually mean the Toolbox window. The Toolbox is actually two separate windows, bound together by Carbon Window Groups. The first window has the title bar and the row of buttons across the top (the buttons that toggle between the Formatting Palette, the Scrapbook, the Reference Tools, the Object Palette, and whatever else is there that I can't remember off the top of my head.) That first window is a true floating window created by OS APIs. The second window is everything below that row of buttons, and is the instantiation of one of those toolbox items. These windows are slightly customized, in that we tell the OS to create them with no border or shadow, again through OS APIs.
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The Carbon Window Group APIs allow for very rich and precise control over how windows are presented to the user, and gave us the ability to combine UI from a variety of sources in our codebase with minimal rearchitecting of each of the individual components.
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We have long-term plans to overhaul the entire architecture of the Toolbox and all its clients to use Cocoa, but that didn't happen in 2008. The Cocoa AppKit window APIs do not yet contain functionality that supports the full richness of window management features that the Carbon APIs do. The Toolbox and its use of Carbon Window Groups were introduced in Office 2004 and predate both Spaces and Exposť.
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For now, you'll have to wait for Apple to release an update to or new version of OS X where Spaces works with apps that use Carbon Window Groups.


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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: frgough on Sep 08, '09 07:06:00AM

Translation:

We're still writing carbon, even though its a dead API because that let's us port our Windows code more easily.



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: Brock Lee on Sep 08, '09 11:29:49AM

Thank you for the explanation.

Thankfully I only rarely use Microsoft Office. But I've dreaded launching it each and every time because of the problems.



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: garythemacguy on Sep 07, '09 12:12:39PM

I fire up Photoshop CS3 on odd occasions. I only recently began using Spaces and found one or two quirks with PS palettes when used for the first time after that. It turned out I was using PS in a Space other than Space #1. In my limited experience, it seemed to be okay when used in Space #1.



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10.6: Microsoft Office now works well with Spaces
Authored by: Orc4hire on Sep 07, '09 02:13:34PM

I think it was really one of the Office updates a while back that fixed most of the problems.

One annoying bug still lingers. Put Word on an external screen in a Space other than 1. Unplug the external monitor. Observe Word migrate back to Space 1. Annoying, but at least it doesn't jump around at random like it used to.



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