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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7 Apps
It seems that the OS X 10.5.7 update causes issues with Adobe's CS4 applications and OS X's Spaces feature. As noted in this Apple Discussions thread, clicking an icon in the Dock for a CS4 app that's in a different Space won't cause that Space to become active.

Adobe's Photoshop CS4 Read Me clearly states that Spaces isn't a supported feature:
Spaces (Macintosh only)
We do not officially support the Apple OS X Leopard "Spaces" feature. If you are experiencing problems when using Photoshop CS4 and Spaces, please contact Apple Support.
The truth is that Adobe made some hacks to the window model on OS X to be able to put flash panels on its CS4 apps. This is really annoying, as it totally broke my workflow; I wish there is some way to fix it. I have a workaround for this -- it's annoying, but it works. After you press Command-Tab to activate Photoshop, press Control-Tab to switch to another Photoshop document, and it will take you to the correct space.

[robg adds: The above is an edited version of the author's reply in the Apple Discussions forum; English is not the author's native language. I've tried not to change the meaning or tone of the author's post while editing it. I don't use CS4 apps, so I can't confirm the issue. While searching for more on the problem, I did find this blog entry that states that a recent Flash update, combined with the OS X 10.5.7 update, solves the Spaces issue with Flash CS4, at least.]
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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: su1droot on May 20, '09 08:12:41AM

This same issue occurs with Photoshop Lightroom.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: karlfranz on May 20, '09 12:33:43PM

The worst part is that, while this has been a problem with Lightroom 2.0 for a while, it used to work properly with Photoshop CS4 until 10.5.7 came out. So now we have two programs that are broken.

Related to this, sometimes switching to the space that has Photoshop running shows the panels and toolbars as blank, dark grey rectangles. Clicking on them causes them to repaint properly. I have also seen some of the panels in Photoshop show up in a different space than the rest of the application.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: elfinabout on May 20, '09 08:48:43AM

This is just more justification for my decision to dump all Adobe and Micro$oft software. The "not officially supported" canard is a pathetic excuse for not coding their apps properly. If they followed Apple's guidelines, their apps would run at decent speed, not be broken by OS updates - and every single OS feature would work with them, as they work with all other apps.
The fact that they both charge many times the price than you pay for alternative, properly written apps which don't use hundreds of MB of storage and multiple GBs RAM just to run clarifies them both as struggling monopolies way past their time...



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: Stormchild on May 20, '09 10:55:21AM

Take your opinion somewhere else; no one cares. People who use Adobe apps for professional work have no alternatives. They make the best graphics tools in the industry.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: frgough on May 20, '09 01:34:16PM

I always get a chuckle out of pot. kettle. black.

Thanks for the laugh.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: mmnw on May 20, '09 03:03:30PM
I don't know for Adobe. But I read from a Microsoft engineer, that it's an Apple problem. At least the Spaces issues with Office. It seems the problem lies with the Carbon libraries MS-Office is using. Apple is supposedly aware of the situation and did acknowledge it in front of Microsoft. It seems to me, since MS is using "old" Carbon libraries, solving the issue isn't on the agenda for Apple. It may well be the same with Adobe ...

You can read the whole story here:
http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2008/10/23/risks-and-rewards/
(it's a bit lengthy ... just search for "Spaces" and you will find the corresponding paragraph).

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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: brh on May 23, '09 12:32:05PM

Yes, I read elsewhere that Adobe has acknowledged the unreliable nature of Spaces in CS, and that it was directly related to Carbon, therefore 'Apple's fault.' This makes sense, but I do hope they plan on updating their code instead of just tacking new stuff onto a big broken pile (remember how much they freaked over the Intel switch...)



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: emale on May 20, '09 09:21:01AM

Had this issues before with the first versions of MacOS X 10.5 and InDesign CS3. Thought, Adobe and Apple would have fixed this and following problems after more than a year.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: gshurley on May 20, '09 09:23:59AM

This issue is not as straight forward as the post suggests. Sometimes clicking on my Photoshop icon in the dock will take me to the correct space, other times it ignores the click. The most annoying bug is when opening a new graphic, the graphic may appear in one space while the Photoshop GUI appears in another - it is VERY difficult to get the graphic into the same space as Photoshop. I have had to force quit Photoshop more often since switching to CS4, which was one bad decision.

Adobe needs to address these issues and support the Spaces feature if they expect Mac users to upgrade in the future. CS4 applications programs are simply NOT OSX 10.5 compatible, even though their marketing machine says it is. Do not believe Adobe - they have bugs that they do not want to fix since Mac is such a small market share.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: gshurley on May 20, '09 01:59:58PM

Another interesting Spaces bug, but which is Apple's issue. Open Safari, click command-F (search for something on the web page). Search for something that is definitely on the page, so Safari grays out a little. Then go to another space. Click on the Safari icon and watch nothing happen. This has been an issue since 10.5.0. For some reason Apple chooses to not correct Spaces issues like this, even after 1.5 years on the market. I suspect Adobe's problems with not switching to the correct Space at certain times is somehow related since the behavior is identical.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: Spartacus on May 20, '09 09:41:37AM
Using (Macintosh only)
We do not officially support the Apple OS X "Using Software" feature. If you are experiencing problems when having an Adobe product and trying to use it, please contact Apple Support.


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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: vincentvw on May 20, '09 11:08:53AM

Got the same problem with Office 2008. My fix has so far been to enable the app for ALL spaces. Sure, it's not as organised, but you get used to it after a while.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: reidjazz on May 20, '09 12:41:12PM

This is definitely an annoying problem. But whose is it? It appears that it's not just Adobe that has problems here. It could be Apple's issue...but I suspect not.

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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: frgough on May 20, '09 01:35:42PM

It's Adobe's problem. Office 2008 has it too. It's because both companies use their own window-drawing routines rather than the Apple API.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: Marlet312 on May 28, '09 03:18:46AM
Thats what I am thinking too. Adobe have made the product right but Apples system keeps messing up. Saying that there should have been alarm bells raised in the testing of the CS4 Free iMac

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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: piyayo on May 20, '09 04:40:38PM

I love my macs but I love being able to make a living using Adobe programs much more. Right now the CS4 suite in Leopard is just ugly to use, but I just switch off spaces and it's much better.

If it becomes really annoying I will switch to a PC with photoshop in it in a heartbeat.

And it's not just Adobe programs. Spaces really has a life of its own. It seems like a really half cooked and random feature I don't even think they know exactly how it works at Apple.

Apple seems to be more interested in releasing its software updates on a Tuesday than in fixing stuff like this anyway.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: lostsync on May 21, '09 02:13:21AM

I mostly navigate Spaces via hotkey and haven't noticed any odd behaviour that way. When using the dock icon to switch between PS and AI (each on a different space), I've seen the behaviour mentioned here. Clicking the icon twice generally seems to have the effect I'm looking to acheive, but admittedly, I haven't been spending a lot of time in CS4 lately (and I waited a bit to upgrade to 10.5.7), so this may not work all of the time.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: jiclark on May 21, '09 11:40:48AM

Interesting that people are claiming that 10.5.7 breaks Spaces/CS4, since I'm still running 10.5.6 and just turned off Spaces (again) yesterday, after some new flaky behavior popped up. As far as I can tell, CS4 (and yes, Lightroom as well) has *never* worked right with Spaces (or is it vice versa?)!

My take is that the blame here must be shared. On the one hand, just look at the number of hints on this site that supposedly explain how to make Spaces do what one wants it to do! Obviously, Apple needs to put more effort into making it consistent in its behavior. On the other hand, corporations like Micro$oft and Adobe need to follow the same rules every other developer is told to follow, if they want their apps to behave as they should on our Macs.

I, for one, sure hope Snow Leopard delivers on the promise to be all about stability and performance, not bells & whistles. That would be a welcome change!!



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: elfinabout on May 22, '09 12:24:49AM

I'll place my opinion where I wish, Stormchild. If you're one of the companies telling yourselves there are no alternatives, then you haven't looked very hard. And if you work for Adobe or Micro$oft, you're simply trolling. My company is doing fine and dandy with better, faster, cheaper, more efficient tools.

Part of the problem is these companies are <strong>still</strong> using Carbon. Apple has given developers <strong> years to migrate to Cocoa - the lazy, greedy companies riding their monopolies haven't bothered restructuring their old, bloated apps to use a superior framework that has been in place for nearly a decade now. Apple should have pulled Carbon years ago - that's their only contribution to these issues - conceding another couple of years of Carbon support to keep these bloated apps running.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: fbitterlich on May 22, '09 01:56:27AM
We do not officially support the Apple OS X Leopard "Spaces" feature.

Thank you, Adobe, but I'm not asking you to support anything; all I ask of you is to not break my operating system. Thank you.

Maybe a trip over to the ADC website, especially the Human Interface Guidelines might be a good idea...

There, now I feel better.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: ubrgeek on May 25, '09 07:30:54AM

There are also issues with Spaces and CS3 apps with shifting between screens and the active CS3 apps not syncing up, leaving (for example) the Dreamweaver control UIs being on a different screen than the code page. It sucks. I was hoping it would be resolved with CS4, but sounds like there are different issues.

And I concur with comment about the person with the oh-so-clever "Micro$oft" comment - please leave those types of comments on Slashdot. Rob has made this an amazing, tech-oriented, remarkably helpful site. We'd all like to keep it that way.



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10.5: Issues with Adobe CS4 apps and Spaces in 10.5.7
Authored by: Drearier on Jun 08, '09 08:34:03AM

I am trying to print a CS4 Photoshop PNG file from a Mac to an HP Color Laserjet 3700. The file's background is transparent and prints transparent from InDesign CS4 and also Word applications. However, when printed from Photoshop CS4, the transparent portion of the file's background prints in a blue transparent tint. I have tried printed the same Photoshop PNG file from a Canon printer and it turns out fine. Any ideas as to why the HP printer is having trouble printing transparent backgrounds from Photoshop CS4 from a Mac? Could it be a Photoshop preference option that needs to be turned on or off?



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