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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs Install
It's been noted here and elsewhere that X11 in Leopard is different from Tiger. You don't have to (and in fact, shouldn't) launch X11 explicitly in Leopard. Just do an ssh -Y hostname to a remote machine in Terminal, and when you launch a remote X app, X11 automatically starts in Leopard. You'll see it in the Dock. What's not obvious is something that happened to me today:

I upgraded my home Mac from Tiger to Leopard, and everything went fine. It was with the "fresh" Archive and Install on my laptop where I had issues with X11. Basically, everything seemed normal, except X11 apps would not launch. Long story short, it was the Archive and Install from Tiger to Leopard that was the problem!

A clean install of Leopard will not install X11. However, if you're coming from Tiger and already had X, the old X11 app is not removed from your disk! So you'll see the presence of X11 in your Applications folder and be fooled into thinking you still have X11 installed. And in fact, it will start up in the Dock the way X11 is supposed to in Leopard when it's called from a Terminal command that needs it. It just won't actually work -- very confusing.

The solution is to insert your Leopard DVD (no need to boot from it) and install 10.5 X11 from the Optional Installs installer. Then everything will be fine. Or just do an Upgrade install at the outset and have no problems!
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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: wgscott on Dec 22, '07 11:14:40AM

> "A clean install of Leopard will not install X11."

That is not true. It installs in Leopard by default.

I've done archive-installs on several machines and have not had this problem you described.



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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: leamanc on Dec 22, '07 11:47:27AM

YMMV, but I can back up the hint poster's claims. Every upgrade or archive-and-install I've done from Tiger to Leopard has had a hosey (or non-functional) X11. I had done what the hint suggested and it worked on a couple of boxes, but not others.

Since my main two X11 apps were Open Office and Gimp, I've decided to stop beating my head up against the wall and just use NeoOffice and Seashore for the time being.



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What's the version number of Leopard's X11?
Authored by: A. Square on Dec 22, '07 01:53:43PM

Could anybody check the version number of Leopard's X11.app? Thanks.



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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: adamb529 on Dec 22, '07 02:54:46PM

The version number of X11 in 10.5 is 2.0.



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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: hungryjoe on Dec 22, '07 03:30:42PM

I seem to remember a support article on Apple's website which I can't find at the moment that suggested that X11 Tiger could run in Leopard, if so desired, however it strongly suggested using X11 2.0. X11 Tiger (1) is still available to download from Apple's website (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html).

If you are having major issues with X11 2.0 then try using the tiger version or try (http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/Releases) this updated version (it solved some issues for me). Note: this is an unsupported update.



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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: chleuasme on Dec 23, '07 06:57:35AM

Your Apple support link is X11 for 10.3, not 10.4 (v. 1.1.3) ;-) and it's obviously not UB for intel Mac, if it ever works.



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10.5: An important caveat about X11 and upgrade installs
Authored by: yanucci on Jan 08, '08 11:01:46AM

I am a basic user of Mac and I have a Mac Mini with Tiger OS X but when I tried to load a copy of Leopard, it said to restart. I wanted to go back to my old settings so I could let the wife use the computer and I chose to restart in my old settings. When I did that the white screen with the Apple stays on and never continues, I had to hold the shift button to get the DVD to eject after multiple tries on re-booting. Now, that white screen just stays on and the spinner below the Apple keeps on spinning. I can't try to boot up in Safe Mode because my bluetooth keyboard isn't ready during the initial startup (I think??) ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE???? Oh, and I am overseas in Okinawa Japan, so there's no Apple Store to drop it off at.



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