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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock System 10.5
To place a folder in the dock without turning it into a Stack, you just have to create an alias of the folder, place this somewhere and drag it to the right side of the dock. The alias will behave like a folder, not a stack. This hint is for all the people who wants back their own nice icons in the dock.

[robg adds: Unfortunately, you will not have a pop-up navigable folder, just a folder whose icon won't change based on its contents (I'd really like to know who came up with that "great" idea). For alternatives, I suggest taking a look at DragThing, which can do hierarchical folders in dock, along with about 3,000 other things. I also use Butler, which lets me create pop-up navigable menus of any folder or disk that I can access with a hot key.]
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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: bcamp1973 on Oct 31, '07 08:21:13AM

I gotta say...i'm really disappointed that they would take away the old folder behavior completely. Bad move! Stacks have their place (I actually like the download folder - just not the changing icon b.s.). But removing functionality that people have been using and relying on was a stupid choice!



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: landis on Oct 31, '07 08:32:10AM

Oh yikes. This just delayed my implementation of X.5. I really like my folder with lots of sub-folders. Way too much stuff to stack.



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Avoid the changing dock icon for the stack
Authored by: grogglefroth on Oct 31, '07 08:41:27AM
The changing folder icon was driving me nuts. This is what I did:
  • Create an alias for Documents
  • Rename it to -Documents
  • Move it into Documents
  • Tell the dock to use a grid; sorted by name.
This *almost* brings me back the behavior of dragging folders to the old dock, enough so that I can live with it. The only oddity at this point is the icon still changes, but the folder icon is in the foreground (the dock shows overlapping icons).

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Avoid the changing dock icon for the stack
Authored by: morespace54 on Nov 05, '07 12:17:34PM

It's funny 'cause i did the same thing for my Download folder (create an alias, put it in the download folder...) but it keep showing me a "plain" folder icon instead of the "download" folder icon...

I also tried to create a "new" folder and pasting the "Download" folder icon on my "new" folder (inside the Download folder) without any luck...

very strange...



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jeremydavidbrown on Oct 31, '07 08:54:25AM
I just discovered Xmenu, and find it work perfectly as a replacement for putting folders in the dock with hierarchical menus. Check it out at: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22117

This works perfectly in Leopard. It's actually a return to the way we did it in system 9 and before, with the apple menu (although it's actually better, since it allows you to have various folders places in the status bar. I have one for my home folder, for my documents, and for my applications).

I still use stacks too. Well, I use the download stack. It beats putting a regular download folder in the dock as I did in Tiger, since in leopard the download stack shows the progress of a download, and bounces when done. Now if only I could stop the damn download window from appearing in Safari (I hate that thing).


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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jmccance on Oct 31, '07 09:38:07AM

I understand wanting the old functionality back, but I find the complaint about the changing icon weird. Part of the original idea was that the icon should give hints about the content of the stack, instead of just being a faceless folder. The changing icon is a feature, not a bug.

Color me puzzled.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jase71ds on Oct 31, '07 10:05:22AM

The problem is that the download icon keeps changing, based upon what you last downloaded. This is NOT good form. As you say, the icon should reflect its purpose, but if it changes constantly (trying to be helpful) it's not helpful to me at all. It's sorta like trying to find a moving target.

I disappointed in many of the aesthetic "features" of Leopard. The Human Interface Group at Apple has really swung the pendulum to an extreme that sacrifices effeciency for the sake of eye candy.

I've said it before:
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
and...
Just because Vista does, doesn't mean Apple ought to.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jmccance on Oct 31, '07 11:37:26AM

Is it really that difficult to keep track of? I doubt you suddenly forget what's in a pile on your desk if someone adds to it, especially if it's a dedicated inbox like the downloads folder is meant to be. Why is this different?


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"They tell me the Internet is made of people. Like Soylent Green."
-- Warren Ellis



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jase71ds on Nov 03, '07 01:05:27PM

Obviously it greatly annoys me and it doesn't greatly annoy you.
I'm happy for you.

As for me, it confuses the eye to have folders in the dock constantly changing in appearance coupled with the noise of another icon slightly sticking out from the sides of the first icon. Dynamic noise.

Whoever at Apple thought that this was good HMI form rode a short bus as a kid.

Jase.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: Spliff on Oct 31, '07 10:22:10AM

I love custom icons. I use them everywhere and they allow me to identify, at a glance, which folder it is. If the icon keeps changing on me based on the folder's contents, then I have no idea which folder I'm looking at.

I love to control much of how my system works and looks. Apple has taken away functionality. I should at least have the option of choosing how the Dock folders display icons.

Apple gets a big middle finger from me for screwing this up.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: jmccance on Oct 31, '07 11:49:24AM

As I asked the other respondent: is it really that difficult to remember which stack is which? Presumably you are not baffled when someone puts a piece of paper on a stack on your desk, especially if its your inbox.

Perhaps other people keep more folders in their dock than I do (I use mine very sparingly), but I have no trouble remembering which folder is which. I'm curious to know why this is a difficulty for others.

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"They tell me the Internet is made of people. Like Soylent Green."
-- Warren Ellis



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: DanFrakes on Oct 31, '07 01:28:15PM

One of the bedrocks of a good UI is that it takes advantage of memory: with a consistent interface, you learn the locations of interface elements and become more efficient because of it.

Once Dock icons start changing their appearance based on their contents or which enclosed file was most-recently accessed, you lose that interface consistency -- every time you look at the right-hand side of the Dock, the icons may have changed.

This feature of Stacks is most useful for people who have only one or two folders in the Dock. Once you add several folders (and documents) to the Dock, it breaks down.

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Dan Frakes / Senior Editor, Macworld / Senior Reviews Editor, Playlist



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: XfanX on Oct 31, '07 10:48:35AM
While I'm not entirely happy with my solution, it does allow me to keep the functionality of stacks, and create a recognizable icon to know what stack I'm looking at. I like having my application folder in my dock, and having the address book icon there all the time was not what I really wanted. Since this front icon isn't likely to change often, as it does in the download folder (which I actually like) I decided to change it. So I made and empty folder, named it "00000applications" and put it in the applications folder. I then went to my Macintosh HD, selected my application folder, hit cmd+I and then highlighted the icon in the upper left corner of the get info window. I then copied it with cmd+c. I then went back to my 00000applications folder and hit cmd+I again. Again I selected the icon in the upper left corner, and pasted in the application folder icon I copied before using cmd+v. Then just make sure you are sorting the applications folder by alphabetical order. The first icon that will show in your stack will be the application folder. Stack function with a non-changing icon. The only downside of this is now you have an empty folder called 00000applications in your applications folder. I can see what it looked like in my dock using my school folder at the link.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremyroof/1808880847/


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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: fab_l on Oct 31, '07 11:14:08AM
Another way to avoid the problem is to have a second second dock; I use A-Dock-X , this is a cheap shareware which works well with Leopard. This way, I have 2 docks, the Leopard's one (bottom of the screen), with all open applications and the Dowload Stack, and A-Dock-X (at left) for shorcut to applications and usual folders that I can access with hierrarchical menus, like the old good tiger dock ! This is so useful ! Note that A-Dock-X has also others fonctions, take a look on the web page. F.

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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: ccirelli on Oct 31, '07 11:23:16AM

OK, here's what I did. It works better than the alias trick, and the ONLY downside is you have an empty folder at the top of each docked folder. Big deal. Still better than messy icons all over the place. I'll live with it until Apple or someone else offers a solution. Let me know if this is helpful.

Follow these steps (I'll use the Applications folder in this example, but this technique works for ANY docked folder):

1. Remove the Applications folder from the 10.5 Dock if it's already there.

2. Navigate to your Applications folder, create a New Folder, title it with one blank space - " " (just a space, no quotes).

3. Now drag your Applications folder back into the Dock (by default it should be sorted by Name, which is what you want).

You should now see a plain OSX folder for your Applications folder in your Dock. You will see some icons "stacked" behind the folder, but personally I don't mind that. If you would like your Dock icon to be something OTHER than a plain folder, add this to Step 2:

2b. (Optional) Copy the icon you wish to use for your Dock's "permanent" Applications icon (highlight the icon, File > Get Info, click on icon symbol, Edit > Copy). I chose the standard 10.5 Applications icon (blue folder with the "A" graphic). Do a File > Get Info on your new " " folder, and paste the icon.



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Works ... and can use the nice toolbar icons
Authored by: Daven on Nov 05, '07 09:17:07AM

This is what I have done as well.

I like using the toolbar icons. These are located in

/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources

They are easy to peruse using the CoverFlow Finder setting. Look for icons that begin with "Toolbar...". Open the *.icns of interest in preview. Select the largest version, then select all (command-A) and copy. Now you are ready to paste this image to apply it as your new icon using the standard methods described above.

I have also replaced all the folder icons in my home directory with their corresponding toolbar icon. So now when I open my "Home" stack, I see the toolbar icons displayed on a grid. The folders that I have as stacks are Downloads, Home, Applications and Utilities.



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DragThing yes!
Authored by: wfolta on Nov 06, '07 02:41:12PM

I totally agree with using DragThing. It's WAY more customizable than the Dock can ever afford to be. In Tiger, I use the Dock to keep super-frequently-needed apps available and to see what's running. Otherwise, I use a drawer-style DragThing dock with 10 tabs to break up my apps based on type: Video, Graphics, 3D, Audio, Internet, etc.

Support a clever programmer, and get customizability you really should not expect from the Dock.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: robogobo on Nov 06, '07 04:29:56PM

This might be a future target of Tinkertool or *censored*tail. Surely it's possible to mod dock behavior without resorting to "tricking" it.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: robogobo on Nov 06, '07 04:32:42PM

man, this site hates c-o-c-k-t-a-i-l.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: mbanks on Nov 07, '07 12:26:24AM

Well, I don't have much to add, other than, yeah, losing the folder options sucks. So far, that has left a bitter taste in my mouth for stacks. I want my old functionality back to be able to have my apps folder in the dock and just right click it to select an app.



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10.5: How to keep folders, not Stacks, in the Dock
Authored by: landis on Mar 21, '08 10:34:53AM
For any stragglers still looking for the pop-up hierarchical menus (like me), X.5.2 now allows you to do it by changing the "view content" to the list option.

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/20/apple-adds-list-view-to-stacks-in-leopard-10-5-2/

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Simpler way
Authored by: avramd on May 30, '08 06:10:51PM

There is a much simpler way to get the folder icon behavior, at least as of 10.2 - just ctrl-click on the stack, and select Display As Folder. Then it uses the folder's actual icon, custom or otherwise.



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Sorry...
Authored by: avramd on May 30, '08 06:19:38PM

I meant 10.5.2



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