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I switch applications with Command-Tab (waiting for Spaces in 10.5!). But, sometimes I want to quit an application during this process. I know it's possible for you English or American users to do this by pressing Q when the application you wish to quit is highlighted. But for us French people, it does not work with the usual Q key.

So what to do? Buy LittleSwitch X, for example? Or try every letter on the keyboard. And that's what I have done: try the letter A; it works!

[robg adds: I asked some friends with non-English keyboards, and after some experimentation, it seems the OS is looking for the key that is in the position of the Q (and H, if you want to hide an app) keys. So on the French keyboards, the A key is where the Q is on an English keyboard -- immediately to the right of the Tab key. At least, this is why we think this works; if you have more knowledge about the subject, please post your comments.]
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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: gotchi on Aug 18, '06 08:12:38AM

as you mentioned - it is not importet whicht key you are pressing - really important is where you locate the key on the keyboard.

examples form my apple experience told me this.
so if I switch my language settings from german (standard language) to english there are no umlaut on the english keyboard layout and on these positions there are other keys.

but this is no problem - every application shortcuts will work in the same way or shoult I say - same position.

so - don't remember the shortcut letters - remember the location of the keys and every shortcut will be the same on every apple and every keyboard layout ;)

thats what I learned after 6 month apple using.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: simX on Aug 18, '06 10:35:02AM

Yep, the command-tab switcher is looking for the key positions, not the key characters themselves. This is a long standing bug since even back before the Command-Tab switcher, when the Dock handled Command-Tab. It's never taken into account keyboard layouts -- I personally use the Dvorak layout, and I press "'" to quit applications and "d" to hide them. Annoying.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: boredzo on Aug 18, '06 03:13:18PM

Bug indeed. This should be filed as a radar.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: arpee on Aug 18, '06 12:26:10PM

Faut être pas très fut-fut pour ne pas savoir que le Q sur un clavier Qwerty est à la même place que A sur un clavier Azerty...

You don't have to be very smart to know that the Q on a Qwerty keyboard is where the A sits on a Azerty keyboard...



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: morespace54 on Aug 18, '06 01:52:54PM

Well, maybe for the letter "Q" (since the letters "QWERTY" are at the same position as the letters "AZERTY" on a French keyboard) but what about other shortcuts? Like the letter "H"? How one should know where the letter "H" is on a French keyboard when using a US keyboard (of French-Canadian for that matter)?

Il ne faut jamais rien tenir pour acquis.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: simonpie on Aug 18, '06 03:55:45PM

Command-~ (rotate window) also suffer from this bug. You have to know the ~ position on your keyboard when it is an american keyboard.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: datawrangler on Aug 18, '06 04:01:44PM

Does anyone know of a resource on the web where one can find pictures of the different key layouts? This would be a tremendous help when trying to resolve these confusing keyboard commands. Every once in a while you download some foreign software and wish you knew where the plus key is on a German keyboard.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: sjmielh on Aug 19, '06 12:21:40AM

Maybe you can use the keyboard viewer. If you switch keyboard layouts in the international prefpanes you can see the different layouts. Maybe is this a solution to you're problem?

Sjmielh



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: sd on Aug 28, '06 07:16:55AM
'GIYF' (or 'GETA' as we French say) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout

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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: sjmielh on Aug 18, '06 11:51:33PM

That is a problem that exists for a long time (and not only for the french). The single user mode is also qwerty-only. And as mentioned, command-~ doesn't work either. But you can change that in the system preference -> keyboard -> Move focus to the active window or next window

Sjmielh



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: sjmielh on Aug 19, '06 12:31:39AM

To go on about the subject. With Azerty-keyboard it isn't possible to use in a program the command-3 or command-4 shortcut, because we take screenshots then :-) In OmniOutliner to name one program, I can't show and hide the inspector 'column type' or document because I take screenshots if I use the keyboard (the " and 3 are on the same key on azerty-keyboards). This is also a longstanding issue in OS X

Sjmielh



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Use the numeric keypad
Authored by: Steff-X2 on Aug 21, '06 05:22:24AM

Usually, you can use command-3 (or any digit) if you use the numeric keypad. It works for QuickTime Player, for example, to resize the video window.



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Use Command-tab features on non-English keyboards
Authored by: phcrack on Aug 19, '06 05:39:25AM
Command-~ (rotate window) also suffer from this bug. You have to know the ~ position on your keyboard when it is an american keyboard.
On a German keyboard this is Cmd->. Cmd-^, which would be the equivalent on a US keyboard, doesn't seem to do anything.

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Utility to see keyboad layout
Authored by: mricart on Aug 22, '06 04:51:40AM

On [link:], "Keyboard viewer" could help you (I haven't tested it).



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Utility to see keyboad layout
Authored by: mricart on Aug 22, '06 04:52:29AM

On , "Keyboard viewer" could help you (I haven't tested it).



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Utility to see keyboad layout
Authored by: mricart on Aug 22, '06 04:53:41AM

On http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~rpointon/osx/, "Keyboard viewer" could help you (I haven't tested it).



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