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A few minutes ago, I activated a new hint rating system available to all users (both logged in and anonymous). It's a single added row, below the existing Add a Comment / Comments row. On the left side of the ratings row is a scale where you rate the hint -- and once you've rated a hint, it displays your vote of the hint. On the right side is a scale showing the hint's average rating. I've tried to make the dispaly somewhat subtle, such that it doesn't dominate the hint and interrupt your eye's flow through the hints. Some will complain that it's too subtle; some will complain that it's not subtle enough.

You can also see rating information on the Stats page; the top 20 rated hints will appear in their own section.

While this isn't yet a perfect solution for hint rating (you can't search on ratings, for instance), it's a start. It's also a bit of an experiment today, as it will put some added load on the server. If the page load times drop appreciably, we may have to go back and find another solution. But hopefully, it will work just fine -- so go ahead and test it by rating the hints (as you can see, you can rate any hint, not just today's newly-added ones.)

And yes, I know it'd be handy to be able to click on a star on the right-hand side to rate a given hint, but it's not programmed to work that way...

-rob.
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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: callefjant on Jun 26, '06 07:57:43AM

Would be nice if the page wouldn't reload for every click, but instead opened a "poller" in a new self-closing window (yep, that can be done with Safari as well). With the present system, eventually I will stop care to rate.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: robg on Jun 26, '06 08:00:36AM

I will pass this suggestion on to the plug-in author and see what can be done. Thanks!

-rob.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: sd on Jun 26, '06 08:14:29AM

I agree, waiting the whole page to reload is a pain.
The best would be to reload only the rated hint section, but I am not sure it is easy to implement (AJAX...).



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: robg on Jun 26, '06 08:23:56AM
Yea, I think that would probably require some major rework to Geeklog itself. Still, if any coders out there want to take a look, we're using the Rating plug-in from Heather Engineering.

-rob.

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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: david-bo on Jun 26, '06 07:59:17AM

I think you should have an even numbered scale for the ratings (i.e., 4). That way people has to decide whether the hint is useful/correct or not. Now I think a lot of people will just vote 3 and that doesn't say the next reader a lot.

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Authored by: olsen on Jun 26, '06 08:57:52AM

I think 5 stars are too many. It is too difficult for the average user (taking into account that we are hopefully all "over-average") to decide whether a hint is 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 stars. The result is probably more accurate and helpful if we only ask: "Do you consider this hint as helpful?" - With options to answer: "Yes" and "No".
Using the current solution I believe we will soon have many many 4 and 5 star ratings and only a few 2 or 3 star ones, making it still difficult too decide which are the good ones and which the bad ones.
So if this rating system shall be a useful tool to honor very good hints and punish bad ones, we should perhaps decrease the number of options to vote for.

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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: sd on Jun 26, '06 09:03:31AM

great, since hint-rating is a long awaited feature



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: garythemacguy on Jun 26, '06 09:16:01AM

Not a bad idea, but I think it could be improved if you could add the number of users who felt it was worth their while rating a hint.

"47 users gave this hint an average rating of 5 stars" is more informative than "1 user gave this hint an average rating of 5 stars". But that, in turn, is still more informative than "average rating of 5 stars".



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Authored by: pub3abn on Jun 26, '06 10:17:42AM

The shaded (filled) stars are not sufficiently distinct from the unshaded ones. This is especially true at the extremes: Is it 5 stars, or zero stars?



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: Sipowicz on Jun 26, '06 10:29:17AM

I think ratings are unnecessary. If a hint sounds good to me, I'll read it no matter what the rating; it doesn't cost me anything. What am I supposed to do with the information that a hint has an average rating of 2? Surely not ignore it? Every hint is useful to somebody. Anyway, I'll still have to read the comments to discover what's wrong with it.

And in my experience, hints are very specific. If searches came up with large numbers of similar hints, I could see the point of filtering them by ratings. But usually, only one hint will do the trick.



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Authored by: PancakeMan on Jun 26, '06 01:20:20PM

I agree - this seems like feature bloat to me...



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: jimhoyt on Jun 26, '06 01:30:44PM

Personally, I'd much rather see some better features for searching. Now it seems to be either way too many results or none.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: robg on Jun 26, '06 03:09:27PM

Make sure you use multiple keywords, which can help greatly. But I agree, and we know, that searching isn't as good as it should be. Unfortunately, that's a much harder change, but we're aware of it and are taking steps to make it better in the future.

-rob.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: jsnell on Jun 27, '06 01:08:40PM

The advantage of having rated hints is that it will allow us to float up "useful hints" (as decided by hints readers) in various places. So instead of just showing the five most recent, we can show the five top-rated Laptop hints, for example.

I agree that it would work better without reloading the page -- something to ask the developer for!

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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: mmulhern on Jun 26, '06 02:20:04PM

I've tried the rating system, and each time when the page refreshes, I am returned to the top of page, not back at the hint I rated. Not a world shattering problem, but inconvenient non the less, when you've just rated a hint down towards the end of the page.

regards,

Michael
(Using Firefox 1.5.0.4 on XPsp2)



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: osxpounder on Jun 26, '06 03:56:52PM

Great! My only problem with it is that the whole page seems to reload when I rate a hint -- and since I'm often on a laptop using wireless, I probably won't be rating many hints. Don't want to wait on the reload.

I think it's a swell idea, though.

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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: Anonymous on Jun 26, '06 05:02:53PM

This does seem a bit like feature bloat. I agree with several other posters in that a hint's rating is not going to influence whether I read a hint or not. Instead, I scan the title and the first few lines to see if it is something that I am interested in or not. It would be nice if there was an option in the user's control panel to turn off the rating system. But, don't put too much effort into it. I can ignore it just as easily!



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: sjk on Jun 26, '06 07:46:37PM

I like the idea but think the current implementation has flaws.

Giving hints a single rating seems too vague and general to be very meaningful. The influence of subjective interpretation on what's actually being rated, by a wide diversity of users with differing skills and interests, dilutes their value.

Hints ratings could potentially be more useful to me if specific criteria were being rated and if I could select which users' ratings I want applied to hints.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: sjk on Jun 26, '06 07:59:21PM

Oh, and another thing ...

I don't see any indication of how many ratings a hint has received. That omission was obvious when glancing at the top 20 rated hints listings and noticing all of them only have a '5' next to them.

A hint with an average rating of 4 with 100 total ratings is likely to be more meaningful than one that's average is 5 with with only a couple total ratings.

And seeing hint submission dates in the top 20 listing could be helpful, too.



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New hint rating system in place
Authored by: drhaudi on Jun 27, '06 01:34:44PM

I find myself checking the number of replys a hint has generated as a good indicator of how helpful the hint is.



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