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Being a glutton for punishment, I thought I'd download the Public Beta of Windows Vista and install it in Virtual PC 7 on my G5 iMac. I also admit that I was curious to see just how it would perform and just how much MS ripped off from OS X. So, with more anticipation than I'd like to admit in public, I downloaded the DVD ISO, fired up VPC and created a new machine with 512 MB of RAM.

I started it up and dropped the DVD ISO on the CD/DVD icon. No go. I then learned that VPC doesn't recognize DVD images greater than 2.2 GB. I didn't really want to burn a DVD, so I thought I'd try using Toast to mount the image, since Toast does a good job of making OS X think you've popped a real disk in the drive. I tried it, then did Capture disk from Virtual PC, and voila, it booted from the image and began copying files. Then it choked on me saying that my BIOS was not ACPI compliant.

I gave a sigh and an oh, well, and went back to work. Later in the afternoon, the thought occurred to me that if it was a BIOS problem, surely VPC used a BIOS. Maybe I could get into the setup and change the setting. It turns out you can! When the virtual machine is just starting up, hit the Delete key. I tap it several times just to make sure I get it at the right moment, and it takes a bit of timing.

If you hit it at the right time, though, you'll get into the BIOS setup screen. There's not a whole lot you can do here, but one of the things you can do is set 'ACPI Aware OS' to 'Yes.' Exit and save changes. Vista will now boot and install. It took about two and half hours to finish the installation, but everything seems to run, though obviously, you don't get the full Aero effects.

One note of warning. Expect your Mac to drop to its knees and beg for mercy once you start running Vista. If you thought XP was slow under Virtual PC, you're in for new vistas of slowness.
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THANK YOU!!!!
Authored by: mshmgi on Jun 12, '06 08:29:20AM

I had to reboot a few times before I managed to hit the delete key at the exact right moment - but by golly it worked!

NOTE: You need to hit the "PC" delete key - not the "Backspace" key. On most Mac keyboards, the two keys have the same name - I had to use the one above my arrow keys.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: Norton on Jun 12, '06 10:49:16AM

After filtering the whining and digs towards MS the article basicly says:

1. VPC doesn't recognize DVD images greater than 2.2 GB.
2. VPC allows you to set 'ACPI Aware OS' to 'Yes.'
3. It takes about two and half hours to install Vista.
4. Vista runs slowly in VPC.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: lrivers on Jun 12, '06 11:42:08AM

And what did you contribute? I didn't know that it was necessary to change the BIOS setting to get Vista to work on VPC...



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: Norton on Jun 12, '06 12:08:52PM

You just read and replied to what I contributed. I'm glad you found my list useful.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: megagram on Jun 12, '06 12:35:15PM

You gotta just love people like 'Norton'! Really makes you wonder what their purpose in life is.

Oh, how our world would be such a different place without 'em.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: GaelicWizard on Jun 12, '06 12:55:13PM

What was the point of your reply? I'm just curious...

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Pell



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: mike666 on Jun 12, '06 01:10:43PM

I agree with Norton. I'm going to petition Rob to change the hints submission form so that hints must be entered as numbered instructional entries of no more than 100 characters each. I won't rest until MacOSXHints is as grey, soul-less, and unimaginative as Redmond in the dead of Winter.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: vykor on Jun 12, '06 02:03:08PM

So you went through the entire registration process this morning just to be a troll. Well, I suppose at least you're not a lazy troll.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: mike666 on Jun 12, '06 06:43:13PM

Actually I'm a long-time contributor. Norton's dross and pedantic reply to a potentially useful hint I thought deserved a response. This is my first attempt at trolling. Sorry if it's not up to your standards :)



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: mike666 on Jun 12, '06 07:33:04PM

Vykor, after posting this it occurred that your post was likely not directed at me; if that's the case then my humble apologies. It's just that my thinky-thing hurts when confronted with an intellect as wondrous as Norton's. Or maybe it's just an instinctive reaction to the name "Norton" in context with any kind of Mac troubleshooting...



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free alternative to toast?
Authored by: justinw on Jun 12, '06 11:47:34AM

Anyone have a freeware utility/tip on doing this magic that Toast does? (make an ISO look like a CD enough to fool VirtualPC)



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free alternative to toast?
Authored by: huntercr on Jun 12, '06 12:39:52PM

Sorry, I don't know of any, but you might consider just burning a DVD-R. It works if you do that.
crh



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free alternative to toast?
Authored by: C14ru5 on Jun 12, '06 02:58:00PM

I haven't tested this with the Vista image, but you can often rename the file extension to ".img" and let the OS mount the disc image directly. At least this works with any .toast image; your mileage may vary.



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free alternative to toast?
Authored by: justinw on Jun 13, '06 06:03:30AM

Yeah, I've managed to mount the ISO so I can see it like any other mounted disk image, but unfortunately VirtualPC only seems to look at either the hardware (as earlier responder noted) or a sub-2GB disk image file. So Toast tricks the whole system into thinking there is another hardware drive there, I'm guessing.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: huntercr on Jun 12, '06 12:37:10PM

Some other tips that have helped me:

-- once you've seen all the flashy stuff, go back to classic mode. This makes it *almost* usable :)

-- Don't forget to install the "Virtual Machine Additions" !! Even though they are intended for Win XP, they *do* work on Vista ( well, at least the public beta2 ) This will allow your video card to be recognized properly and allow the "seamless" mouse.

I have yet to get the virtual ethernet card, or sound to operate properly.
Also once you install the VM additions, the proper ethernet card driver will be avaialble in the device manager. Why it still doesn't work is beyond me.

Supposedly the soundblaster 16 PCI drivers for XP work, but I had no such luck.
something else to try... I haven't done this, but it might work alot better. make a XP image and then performe an upgrade of it.
Has anyone tried this?

crh



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: sonderpa on Jun 12, '06 12:39:59PM

I also had the ACPI problem, but I didn't have any problem with installing Vista from the burned DVD.
It also took me a few hours to install and indeed it's very Slooooooooooooooooooow!



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Huston ... we have a problem.
Authored by: mshmgi on Jun 13, '06 02:13:37PM

I have been unable to get Vista to recognize VPC's ethernet adapter. Vista will stop working unless it is activated online within 14 days after installation.

So the $64,000 question is... has anybody been able to figure out how to get Vista's network operating in VPC?

I'd hate to think I have to reinstall that monster every 2 weeks .. ugh :(



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Huston ... we have a problem.
Authored by: huntercr on Jun 15, '06 04:44:33AM

Have you tried using a USB ethernet adapter? For some reason the virtual network driver seems to be broken.

crh



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Huston ... we have a problem.
Authored by: mshmgi on Jun 15, '06 08:01:00AM

Charles:

I have not tried that yet. But I did try using the modem (no joy there either).



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Got networking working...
Authored by: huntercr on Jun 15, '06 06:40:34AM
OK here's how to get the virtual ethernet device to work with the Vista Public Beta under Virtual PC for OS X 7.0.2
  1. Install Vista public beta via the methods previously described in this thread
  2. login and install the Virtual Machine Additions ( and reboot )
  3. Copy the file \Windows\System32\drivers\dc21x4.sys from a Virtual PC session of Windows XP ( with Virtual Machine additions installed ) to the vista machine
  4. Copy the INF file net21x4.inf from Win XP ( or at an online repository like this: INF dump to the vista machine
  5. put both files in a folder in a location of your choice ( desktop is fine )
  6. open up the control panel -> device manager. If your ethernet card shows up with a driver ( it will say something like 21140 emulated ), click on the card and click on "update driver", or it may say "unknown device". If your card does not show up at all, use the Add hardware object instead of device manager.
  7. Select "browse my computer for driver software" and specify the path to the files we obtained in steps 3-5.
  8. you should be good to go! ( you may need to reboot )


PLEASE don't ask me any questions about how you can get a copy of these files without Windows XP. I will not respond to any requests for these files.
ALSO, Please don't ask me to help with further network configuration. This is vista specific and is out of scope!
Now you should be able to activate Windows Good luck everyone!

Charles

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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: mshmgi on Sep 13, '06 08:56:26AM

RC1 installs successfully using this same tip.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: griffineyes on Oct 10, '06 08:07:50AM

After waiting more than an hour for .NET to install, it dawned on me why i use a Mac.



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Install Windows Vista in Virtual PC 7
Authored by: jennix on Oct 26, '06 09:18:53PM

FYI, if you're installing on a powerbook, the "delete" key needed to access the BIOS is fn+delete

peace,
jenni



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Windows 7 :)
Authored by: Ilgaz on Feb 12, '09 10:48:10AM

I don't want to give anyone mad ideas but apparently this trick works for installing Windows 7 beta too.



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