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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released System 10.4
Tiger only hintLong ago, when the site was but a young thing, I used to regularly cover the minor OS X releases. I haven't done that for quite a while, but I felt yesterday's release of the 10.4.3 update merited at least some mention here--it's the largest system update (in terms of number of changes, at over 500) Apple has ever released, and they snuck in some relatively interesting new features. There are also probably some new glitches introduced, though I've only run into one area of confusion so far (covered in a separate hint today).

So I thought I'd at least list a few of the minor things that I've discovered so far, none of which would really be 'hint-worthy' on their own merits.
  • If you use Mail, you can now set your own font family and size for the mailbox list. My message list and mailbox list are finally in the same font!
  • Also in Mail, when you forward or reply to a message, they got rid of some of the extra blank lines (though they left the one at the top, above the quoted text)
  • iChat now has an encrypted chat feature, as long as all participants are on .Mac. Yes, this is a ploy to sell more .Mac subscriptions, but in this case, I think it's a legit need -- Apple is using .Mac as the issuing authority for the security certificates, and each .Mac subscriber gets one automatically when they first run iChat in 10.4.3. I tested this with a couple .Mac buddies, and it seems to work well. There's a slight lag when sending and receiving messages, but it's hardly notable. File transfers go somewhat slower, and I did have problems sending pasted images -- sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't.
  • iChat smileys can be disabled easily from the menu! Hooray! Just choose View: Hide Smileys. No more unintended smiles when trying to send lists, etc.
  • X11 windows now pop forward as they should when you activate X11 via the Dock or Command-Tab switcher.
  • Quartz 2D Extreme has been permanently disabled, meaning that these hints no longer work in 10.4.3. Apple claims there were kernel panic and window redraw issues with it, and that the feature is 'not supported' in Tiger.
Most of the above are documented on Apple's About the 10.4.3 Update page; the ones I chose to list were just those I found most interesting or useful to me. Overall, for the size of the update, I've been quite happy with it -- no major glitches (other than the one documented as a separate hint), and the improvements are quite welcomed. Please feel free to comment on your experiences with the update...
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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Robert Black on Nov 01, '05 08:01:22AM
Can someone confirm that the following problem hasn't been fixed please?

In Mail, with a Smart Mailbox, in the view menu select Columns: Mailbox. As expected, the Mailbox column appears in the list of messages, BUT select another mailbox and then return to the same Smart Mailbox and the Mailbox column is gone. This is really frustrating and I've read of others experiencing the same problem with 10.4.2, and I was hoping that this update to 10.4.3 would fix it. In my case, it appears that it hasn't.

Regular Mailboxes (which need the Mailbox column far less due to their nature) do remember to show that column when you return to them.

Curiously, if I drag the Mailbox column in a Smart Mailbox to change the left-to-right order in which it appears, this order is remembered if I later reactivate the Mailbox column. So Mail.app bothers to remember the order of the columns in a Smart Mailbox, but not whether extra columns have been activated. Grrr.

On the positive side, I REALLY appreciate all the work that's gone into 10.4.3, fixing so many other bugs and adding some nice new features to boot.

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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: r0n on Nov 01, '05 08:21:23AM

Yes, this still has to be fixed...



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: tetsuotheironman on Nov 01, '05 08:07:51AM

re: Encryption in iChat

note that users of Adium have had this feature for quite some time using a public key infrastructure.. and it's compatible with anyone who uses libgaim with encryption in their applications, potentially reaching alot more users...

now only if adium's file transfer and Audio/Video support were on par with ichat...



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: PlxoGuy on Nov 05, '05 12:30:08AM

Either way, you gotta love the ibushisms LOL
For anyone reading this who doesn't know, check out the Adium add-ons.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: PaulRenegar on Nov 01, '05 08:33:09AM

I can't install this until I get home later this evening, but does anyone know if they fixed the problem in Mail, so that .Mac mail folders will not be displayed as root folders in the folder list, rather as subfolders of the actual .Mac account? It works GREAT for IMAP accounts.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: jweill on Nov 01, '05 08:40:55AM

I think that's just an issue with the IMAP server. My personal e-mail (Cyrus IMAP) has every folder as a subdir of INBOX. My work e-mail (UW-IMAP) has every folder as a root folder. Mail.app does not let me choose how each one appears.

Mozilla Thunderbird and other such apps also display folders as INBOX-subfolders or top-level folders; unlike Mail.app, Thunderbird keeps everything grouped by account.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: bailey_ca on Nov 02, '05 12:08:49AM

You're right about it being a difference in IMAP servers. All you need to do is figure out what namespace your server is using for your folders.

For example, my home server (Courier) uses "INBOX." as the namespace:

INBOX
INBOX.Sent
INBOX.Trash
INBOX.Something

and so on. If you look under the Mail.app Preferences -> Accounts -> Advanced there's "IMAP Path Prefix". To get my mailboxes to group properly, I just had to change the prefix to INBOX (without the . delimiter, for some reason.)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Carphunter on Nov 01, '05 08:34:11AM

our quick testing found that 10.4.3 hasn't resolved the issues with using W2K3 as an SMB file server.



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Mail Rules broken?
Authored by: water451 on Nov 01, '05 09:19:06AM

Mail.app no longer will apply or let me edit my rules - some are custom Act-On rules but are otherwise normal. I ran Fix Permissions and checked at the terminal that u+rw was true for ~/Library/Mail/ and descendents. The Property List editor doesn't show any corruption that I can tell in the rules plist file. I also tried swapping out the plist file with its generated backup file for the upgrade (always nice to have that option), but this doesn't effect anything. I've also noticed that I can add and remove new and existing rules, but can't duplicate or edit existing rules. I also don't see anything in the site archives or online to address this. Any ideas?



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Mail Rules broken?
Authored by: James Griffin on Nov 01, '05 10:00:52AM

I had the same problem. It seems that either MailTags or MailActOn are not compatible with the new version of Mail. I removed them and everything was hunky dorry. Hopefully we'll get new versions of these softwares soon.



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Confirmed
Authored by: water451 on Nov 01, '05 10:57:27AM

Moving those bundles to the disabled folder restored the regular behavior. I also had both MailTags and MailActOn installed, and will miss them! I now use meta-data extensively.



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Fixed!
Authored by: water451 on Nov 01, '05 11:04:22AM
The MailTags home page shows that a new version is out already, 1.1 and the top feature is 10.4.3-compatibility! That's a well-maintained piece of software!

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Mail Rules broken?
Authored by: pecosbill on Nov 03, '05 01:22:19PM
Maybe this will help with mail rules:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302257

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Pecos Bill

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Detect Displays fixed
Authored by: kyngchaos on Nov 01, '05 09:24:50AM

My favorite unannounced fix: on my PowerBook, when I connect a second display, either DVI/VGA or SVideo, and Detect Displays, the Dock would crash and restart when the detection was finished. This is fixed! Probably a byproduct of one of the many fixes.

A nice side effect of the Dock crash is that the second display would get desktop picture from my random pictures selection. But I'd rather have the Dock NOT crash and get the Apple default picture. The second display is covered by video playback anyways.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: acc on Nov 01, '05 09:43:50AM

"I did have problems sending pasted images -- sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't."

This issue has existed for me for a while and it still exists with this update. I sometimes will drag a file and try to send and the party at the other end will get an error. Sometimes the file will get through to the same user. I have not been able to figure out any particular reason for the failures. I do seem to have significantly more problems sending files via Tiger iChat then I did with Panther iChat.

On a different note, it appears from Apple's notes on the update, that they are still grappling with the 'insufficient bandwidth" errors when doing voice chats.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: interlard on Nov 01, '05 10:24:50AM

The lack of Quartz 2D Extreme is a big disappointment to me. It's got SO much promise.

Please get it right, Apple! PLEASE! ;-)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: pub3abn on Nov 01, '05 11:58:07AM

The part about Quartz 2D Extreme was a huge disappointment for me too. I was hoping they would permanently enable it.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: veshman on Nov 07, '05 06:06:14PM

Why do you want Q2DE so bad? Is there something it does that the current drivers don't do?



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Mike A on Nov 01, '05 10:40:17AM

Also of note, the Finder now tells you which architectures an app has been compiled for.

They fixed a bug in Preview whereby if you cropped a picture, the Info palette didn't update.

Widgets now seem to use less memory. Before they were averaging about 8Mb RAM each, not it seems to be down to approx 3.5Mb per widget.

Nothing else of note for me I don't think. Oh, and hopefully my PowerBook will no longer occasionally Kernel Panic when waking from sleep.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: afb on Nov 01, '05 12:22:42PM

This update also fixed a tiny bug in Mail.app: If you used the option to colorize addresses not in certain domains, and if you have a silly mail server that always puts your email address in caps, Mail.app would see the address in caps as a different address, and it would not let you add addresses case-sensitively. This is now not a problem; the feature actually works again.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: macg4dave on Nov 01, '05 01:34:58PM

I hate update mac os x. I had 10.4.2 running fine then i go and install 10.4.3 and I can't logout,Restart,shutdown or force quit plus my sound keys don't work

my console log is slow filling up with:

2005-11-01 21:20:27.307 loginwindow[118] *** Assertion failure in -[NSThemeFrame initWithFrame:], AppKit.subproj/NSView.m:710
2005-11-01 21:20:27.308 loginwindow[118] Uninitialized rectangle passed to [View initWithFrame:].

Anyone else with this bug?



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Shawn Parr on Nov 01, '05 02:48:59PM

When I installed the update, and hit the Restart button it did not restart my computer. I went through and manually quit all my apps, then logged out.

Logging out took way longer than usual, and the login dialog did not show up, I waited a very long time (over 10 minutes).

I assumed this had something to do with FUS as I had another user logged in, and I have had issues before with trying to reboot with another user logged in.

I force rebooted the machine from the front panel and all is well.

It sounds like your problems are much worse then mine were, but I give this account to you in case it might help in some way.

Good luck!



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Won't restart
Authored by: jscarry on Nov 01, '05 09:44:32PM

Same thing happened with my G4. Hard restart worked and no problems today. No other users were logged in. Laptops and G5 were fine.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: matx on Nov 01, '05 03:36:03PM

Ya, had one computer do that at work. Manually powered off, then on again. It refused to boot. Booted into single-user (command-s) and ran "fsck -yf", and then "exit". When that didn't work tried "safe" mode. Reboot and hold the "shift" key. No luck there, either, so booted into target mode and tried a repair disk from another G5. Tried booting from OSX cd/dvd but that stalled too. Using TechTool Pro 4.0.5 worked (boot from CD). Alternatively I could have used DiskWarrior to check it out. The G5 finally came back up, after some massage. :)

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Mat X -- VFX Mac Tech



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: tma on Nov 01, '05 09:31:09PM

I didn't check my console log when it happened, but I had exactly the same problem.

As per a previous hint listed here, I'd added "-v" to the "boot-args" variable in the nvram so I could see all the text messages on boot. I removed this setting, and upon reboot (couldn't use the Finder, had to type "reboot" as root in a console window; I expect "sudo reboot" would work just as well) all was well.

In my googling on the subject, other people have had similar issues and ended up resetting the nvram settings to fix the problem (along with a bunch of other stuff, but the nvram thing was the key for me).

Hope that helps.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Jason@macpacs on Nov 05, '05 03:27:05AM

After installing 10.3.4, I have the same problem with my ICE iBook G3 700Mhz. I can not shutdown, restart, or log out. I can only restart via Terminal commmand "su root", then "reboot"



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: wsdr on Nov 01, '05 03:54:01PM

You don't have to buy .Mac to use a .Mac name. Sign up for a free trial, and when it expires, you can still use the name for iChat.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: robg on Nov 02, '05 05:31:13AM

Having a .Mac screen name won't let you use the encryption feature; you need a real account. The Read Me even notes that the feature only works for real, non-trial accounts.

-rob.



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Re: 10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: mici on Nov 02, '05 07:18:07AM
You don't have to buy .Mac to use a .Mac name. Sign up for a free trial, and when it expires, you can still use the name for iChat.

nonsense. 1) encyption doesn't work with trial accounts. 2) when the trial expires, you can not use the screen name as it becomes available for signup again after a period of time.



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Re: 10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: ryanmathus on Nov 02, '05 10:49:12AM
nonsense. 1) encyption doesn't work with trial accounts. 2) when the trial expires, you can not use the screen name as it becomes available for signup again after a period of time.
You're right that iChat will not work with anything but a paid .Mac account, but you're blatantly wrong that if you sign up for a free trial that it will no expire. Screen names for the free trial will continue to be active forever. It's the .Mac extras (hosting, e-mail, etc) that no longer work.

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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: baltwo on Nov 01, '05 04:38:58PM

WRT to Live Verification,the article "Using Disk Utility in Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later to verify or repair disks" at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302672 states that "Live Verification only works on Mac OS X Extended (Journaled)-formatted (HFS+J) volumes. If you try to verify a non-journaled disk, Disk Utility will display this message: "ERROR: could not freeze volume (Operation not supported)."

I got bit by that during beta-testing this build. I can understand HFS+, but journaling? That's beyond my comprehension.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: BMarsh on Nov 01, '05 11:14:18PM

Journalling would likely allow the system to stop writing changes while Disk Utility is doing the scan, then resume writing those changes to the disk once the scan is complete.

(At least that is my semi-educated guess)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: baltwo on Nov 02, '05 11:59:39PM

Re: But, if journaling is off, it doesn't have to stop writing.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: hdms on Nov 02, '05 06:15:24AM

Interestingly, my HDD was Journaled before the update, and on checking out the new boot volume verification feature of Disk Utility got the 'could not freeze vollume' error. I found that journaling was no longer on. I have reapplied journaling and now the Disk Utility feature works.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: allanmarcus on Nov 01, '05 05:05:05PM

I run my own iChat server with Tiger Server. I use SSL encryption for iChat. I think that counts as encryption.



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(re)Enable Quartz 2D in 10.4.3
Authored by: SmokyMcPott on Nov 01, '05 06:55:15PM
As others have pointed out, the hints found elsewhere on this site which deal with permanently enabling Quartz 2D (Q2D) under 10.4.3 no longer works. Apple has apparently disabled this feature permanently until they get it production ready.

On a hunch though, I combined a couple of things, and apparently have permanently enabled it again (It's survived multiple reboots, at least). Here's what I did:

Using the Propert List Editor, I enabled Q2D by editing the 'com.apple.windowserver.plist' file, as outlined in this hint.

However, after rebooting, I discovered that the Quartz Debug app was still showing my Q2D as being off, and offered its usual "Enable/Disable" options, under the Tools menu.

Because I had done this before (it might be in the aforementioned hint), I knew that one way to enable Q2d under Tiger was to load the Quartz Debug app, enable Q2D from the Tools menu, and then force quit Quartz Debug (because if you exit Quartz Debug nicely, it resets Q2D back to its default "disabled" status). The downside of this technique is that Q2D immediately reverts to disabled after a reboot.

So... After enabling Q2D via the program, I force exited the app, and Q2D has been enabled since, with no signs of trouble yet (fingers are crossed). My guess is that one of several things has happened here:

  • Apple has modified Quartz Debug to not disable Q2D on exit with this latest update (not likely). Or...
  • By first enabling the Q2D ability via the PList editor, and then switching on Q2D manually in the Debug program, and then force exiting it may, for some reason, be telling the OS to keep this enabled when it boots.
Obviously, YMMV, but for me so far it's working, so I thought I'd pass along the details in case anyone else is trying to figure out how to do this.

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Safari crashing
Authored by: redfood on Nov 01, '05 11:23:48PM

Has anyone else encountered problems with Safari after the update? It is crashing so often on me its unusable.



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Safari crashing
Authored by: hdms on Nov 02, '05 06:18:04AM

That is most likely due to incompatibility of Plugins with the new version of Safari. If you go to Versiontracker.com you'll see most of the main plugins have been updated in the last 24 hours.



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Safari crashing
Authored by: redfood on Nov 02, '05 11:11:30AM

I don't have any plugins aside from quicktime and flash. It has something to do with javascript. When javascript is turned off safari is stable as a rock. With javascript turned on safari crashes on almost every other page.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: evan_escent on Nov 01, '05 11:25:53PM

aHA! This also added support in ImageCapture for the Epson Perfection 3590 Photo scanner. This makes me happy, because the Epson software, while better than most scanner software I've used, is kind of buggy.



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10.4.3 and Toast 7
Authored by: ChrisJ on Nov 02, '05 05:26:51AM

After the update Toast 7 keeps crashing when preparing burning process for DVDs ('Mac & PC' or 'DVD-ROM (UDF)' format).
I didn't try to burn CDs or video DVDs yet.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: Carphunter on Nov 02, '05 05:52:34AM

Mail 2.0.5... still has not addressed one of the biggest problems we've seen in interacting with our Exchange servers.

When it fires up, just like 2.x versions prior, it triggers millions of errors on the exchange server.

Fills the event logs so they are unusable for trouble shooting anything that goes wrong with the servers.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: legacyb4 on Nov 02, '05 10:06:48AM

I wonder if .Mac will ever provide mail certificates for users as well? I know going the Thawte route, etc. is possible, but it would be nice to see it built in and as easily activated as they did with iChat.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: erikh on Nov 02, '05 06:10:57PM

I've noticed that the new X11 does not allow remote connections per default. It's been a while since I've had to tweak this, so I don't have an immediate solution.

Some of us really, really like running VMWare on our Macs. :)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: tykepenguin on Nov 03, '05 12:36:49AM

defaults write com.apple.x11 nolisten_tcp 0

Should do it. You'll need to restart X11 after doing it.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: bdog on Nov 02, '05 07:05:29PM

New feature: You can now see if network users are available at the login window (Managed Clients) by clicking on the hostname a few times.

Bugs fixed:
1. iSync doesn't crash when I try to sync or edit preferences. (I had fixed this once in X.4.2 by trashing "~/Library/Application Support/SyncServices" but the problem came back. After this update, it got fixed even without trashing this Æ’.

2. Activity Monitor doesn't crash anymore, AGAIN! I had this work in X.3, then it was broken (would always crash before fully opening). Then it was working again once I upgraded to X.4. Then it was broken again… Now it's fixed again!

3. Entourage responds all the time, instead of "hanging" with the "spinning rainbow candywheel of death/pizza wheel beachball of death" every 10 seconds or so… Still need to verify this doesn't happen once I get into work and start using eMail via my exchange account…

Bugs I HOPE they fixed:
1. Clicking "through" widgets.

2. Cursor going choppy every 1-3 days, AirPort would go down, and I would need to reboot. I think it's related to lookupd issues, and unlookupd never fixed it…

3. Sound output balance getting off on it's own. (not being centered)

4. Managed clients crashing at bootup very often.

Image Capture still doesn't work if moved to another folder.

Verification of the boot volume brought down my system, causes each app to not respond one by one.

Everything seems so much faster, and I mean EVERYTHING! Also, much much MUCH less RAM being used.

Now here's hoping they REWIRE THE DAMN FINDER FROM SCRATCH, AND IN COCOA on X.5. (not holding my breath)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: bdog on Nov 02, '05 07:08:07PM

Also forgot to mention. I booted into single user mode, ran "fsck -fy" and it found a problem, repaired it, then automatically tried repairing the volume again, instead of making you have to do it again yourself. I don't know if X.4.2 already did this, but I do know that X.3 didn't…



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: bdog on Nov 03, '05 05:46:23PM

*That's REWRITE the Finder from scratch...

Also, it can display your IP at the login window and there is a pref to set what is displayed by default.



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: bdog on Nov 08, '05 09:53:49AM

So far I haven't "clicked through" any widgets.

Entourage is still very responsive, while I'm at work connected to the Exchange server.

So far no choppy cursor, and I probably would have seen it by now, so they hopefully fixed that.

Output balance is still centered as of now.

Still a bug: Sometimes when switching to another account via fast user switching, then switching back to the original account the "Color LCD" profile is unavailable and it uses "Generic RGB Profile" instead. (Everything looks blue) Restarting makes "Color LCD" appear again in the list. (will try logging out, then back in)



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: davidm on Nov 13, '05 07:03:23PM

Rob or anyone else - can you tell me how you set the font family and size for your mailbox list? I can't figure it out, and Mail's Help doesn't, well, help.

Thanks,
David



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10.4: OS X 10.4.3 update released
Authored by: harrydelano on Jun 13, '06 06:44:37AM
I have been trying to install X11 on my iBook (v. 10.4.6, 1.25GB, 25GB,1.2GHz) . I downloaded the X11 distribution from http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html but when I try to install it I get "You cannot install X11 on this volume. Newer software already exists on your computer."

I've seen many references to this message in other places and the solution seems to be to load X11 from the Tiger DVD. Problem is, I don't have it. I got the v. 10.4.6 via Software Update.

Does that mean I have to come up with $129 to get X11 working on my Mac?

BTW, I've tried the fink approach that has been suggested and didn't get very far.

Thanks,

Harry DeLano

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