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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive System
Recently, my old laptop hard drive started to make weird noises that made it practically unbearable to stay close to it. So I decided to replace it with a new one before it's too late. I chose a Seagate 100GB Momentus (because of the five-year warranty), and after some manipulations with a torx screwdriver and CarbonCopyCloner cloning, my system was up and running with its new and shiny drive (which is actually a lot faster compared to old 60GB Toshiba).

Then to my disappointment, I found that the laptop started to misbehave after sleep. Usually when I wake it up it, it takes just a couple of seconds to enter my password and everything is ready for work. However, this time instead of the password prompt, I got the infamous spinning beach ball ... and about 40 seconds later, the system finally asked me for my password. And this happened every time I woke the laptop. It's a minor thing, but quite annoying!

To make a long story short, after much investigation and futile digging through log files and debug modes of different system daemons, I found the culprit and hope I can help save some time for others. The problem was that the new hard drive came with its jumper set to "Cable Select" (CS) mode, and I decided to leave it as is. It looks like OS X doesn't handle this case properly, and instead of the expected one to two seconds, it took about 40 just to initialize the drive. As soon as I set the drive to master mode, everything returned to normal and now it works exactly as before. So if you have issues like delayed boot start or wake ups, check your hard drive's mode and try to avoid CS -- it worked for me, at least...
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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: murali1080 on Aug 02, '05 12:55:40PM

How do you check for the mode and how do you change it??



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: atverd on Aug 02, '05 01:48:14PM

You have to look at the hard drive itself, so you'll need to open your computer. Probably you should ask someone who knows how to do this. Actually this all makes sense only in case if hard drive in your computer was ever replaced before.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: BradMacPro on Aug 02, '05 01:24:39PM

You should have been more careful checking the original drive before replacing it. The drive "mode" is changed by tiny jumpers. Laptop hard drives are always master. Only recent Power Mac G4 models use cable select. This is mostly because it can use so many internal drives.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: speedtrials on Aug 02, '05 02:03:53PM

"Third party"??? Last time I checked Apple didn't make hard drives. Calling a hard drive "third party" is verbose and confusing.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: mike666 on Aug 02, '05 02:22:46PM

The drives which ship with Apple's machines are generally referred to as "Apple drives" regardless of the OEM source. They are actually branded with the Apple logo and usually have ROMs tweaked according to Apple's specs. Aftermarket replacements are subsequently referred to as "3rd-party".



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: speedtrials on Aug 02, '05 04:27:25PM

apple hasn't touched hard drive firmware thing since OS 9. nowadays a fujitsu/toshiba/whatever hard drive with an apple sticker is just a fujitsu/toshiba/whatever hard drive



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: mike666 on Aug 03, '05 06:15:07PM

...unless you're dealing with warranty issues (which, as an Apple Specialist, I do every day), then a drive which shipped with an Apple machine is an Apple Drive and one which didn't is 3rd-party. Apple also doesn't make their own video cards, power supplies, and many of the other components inside their machines - they're contracted out to other companies - but they're branded with the Apple logo and ordered and shipped through Apple's distribution so they are all Apple parts. Even non-Apple branded Samsung RAM that ships with a machine is called Apple RAM because it's part of that config and warrantied through them.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: mike666 on Aug 02, '05 02:16:59PM

Which PowerBook was this? All current models have a connector which covers all the pins on the drive and therefore automatically sets the drive role correctly - if any jumpers are on the drive the connector won't even go on. I think the only exceptions are some of the Titaniums where the connector on the flex cable only jumpers one of the role pins so the only way I can see the situation described happening is if one of the jumpers is left on (the outsidemost) although I would still think that would make getting the connector on enough of a chore that you'd notice something wasn't quite right...

Rule of thumb for PowerBooks: if there are any jumpers on a new drive, remove them all - the connector will take care of the rest.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: atverd on Aug 02, '05 04:51:08PM

TiBook 1Ghz, but it's IDE cable doesn't cover any control pins.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: jellomizer on Aug 02, '05 05:29:02PM

Same with a 667mhz TiBook



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: mike666 on Aug 03, '05 06:17:07PM

You're right, I was thinking of some other model. The rule of thumb still applies though...



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: greed on Aug 02, '05 02:22:31PM
I've run into a similar problem with FireWire external enclosures. Maxtor and Western Digital have different defaults, so when I switched from one to the other I'd forgotten to change it.

Rarely, the enclosure would work... but mostly it just decided there was no disk at all--even worse than being slow.

Set the drive to be Master and all is good. (To make it worse, one of the brands had a "Slave Present" setting that makes things weird if there isn't actually a slave.)

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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: jellomizer on Aug 02, '05 05:26:31PM

DUDE YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!
For over a year I have been suffering with the slow wake up speeds. From when I had to switch to a seagate. When I Got home I took out that jumper to put it in master. And Blamo It is like new! I always figured there was something different about my old drive some some extra cache that the newer drive had or a little longer warmup time. Thank allot.



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: kaih on Aug 02, '05 09:45:03PM

Either way, Apple firmware or just Apple sticker, the drive is (for all intents and purposes) an Apple drive. It's sold only by Apple and is covered by the AppleCare warranty...

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Mostly affects Seagate
Authored by: dirkstoop on Aug 06, '05 06:15:53PM

Seagate is currently the only drive manufacturer that ships some of it's drives with a little jumper on the CS setting, as far as I know

(working at an AASP I see a lot of third-party drives from different makes, and neither the Hitachi's nor the Toshiba's I've handled ever came with a jumper on, only some Seagates)



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: nbtesq on Oct 01, '07 05:43:32PM

Thank you!! Thank you!!! I was having the same exact issue after upgrading to a Seagate 160gig drive. Back and forth and finally, the jumper was the culprit.

You would think Seagate should issue some sort of notice for mac users...

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!

NBT



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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: dougc on Nov 29, '07 07:47:16AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you... My old Toshiba drive was starting to make funny noises, so I upgraded to a 7200K 80GB Seagate, on my Pismo PB. (BTW, I would recommend anyone running an older PB to dump their 5400K for a 7200K drive) The performance improvement was awesome, but like you, I had this funny delay (minutes) when coming back from sleep. When I put the drive in, I did notice the jumper, but never thought much about it, and never thought a CS jumper would cause a problem like this. Nonetheless, I removed the jumper and things are back to normal. Thanks again for taking the time to post this invaluable piece of information, I really appreciate it.

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One possible fix for a slow third-party hard drive
Authored by: pinchies on May 22, '08 01:35:57AM

Thankyou very much! I had forgotten about this! Seagate 160GB on a quicksilver 733 on leopard.



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