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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue Desktop
Tiger only hintThe other night, I was trying to explain to a buddy how I had used Spotlight to find the new intro movie in the Setup Assistant. Despite my step-by-step directions, he couldn't replicate what I was seeing. After a while, we gave up for the night. He came back the next day and told me he'd figured it out. After he walked me through the problem, I thought it was worth sharing here as a general heads-up that might catch you by surprise.

To see the issue for yourself, select your Pictures (or any) folder, and then hit Command-F. More than likely, the "bar" portion of the Find window will show Servers, Computer, Home, and (selected) Folder "Pictures." On his machine, though, he was seeing Server, Computers, (selected) Home, and Others. This made it really difficult for him to run a Spotlight search inside the package folder where we were digging -- his machine kept popping back up to his home folder. It's possible to work around this by using the Others button, and then dragging in the folder from the Finder, but that's a major hassle.

So what was the problem and the solution? In his Finder Preferences, he had enabled "Always open folders in a new window." With this setting enabled, when you hit Command-F, a new window opens, since the new Find is now really a folder. And since it's a new folder, it doesn't know anything about its parent, so it shows the default settings, with the highlighted item matching the Finder's settings for "New windows open in." So the fix was to, at least temporarily, disable the "Always open folders in a new window" option. Since most people I've met leave this disabled, you may not ever run into this glitch. I'm not sure it's a bug, but it's certainly not the behavior I was expecting, although it makes logical sense.

Update: This "feature" (and the setting that disables it) only seems to work in column-view windows. After testing based on the comment below, I found that both Icon and List views do not contain the currently selected folder as a Spotlight option. Yet another reason to use Column view, I guess! Can anyone else confirm this?]
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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: themacfanatic on May 26, '05 10:46:18AM

By the way, how exactly can you find the setup assistant movie? I have looked for it repeatedly, but have had no luck.



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: robg on May 26, '05 12:43:18PM

Navigate to /System/Library/Core Services. Control-click on Setup Assistant and Show Package Contents. Use Spotlight for .mov (this is what caused the hint in the first place), and you'll see intro.mov.

The full path is:

/System -> Library -> CoreServices -> Setup\ Assistant.app -> Contents -> Resources -> TransitionSection.bundle -> Contents -> Resources -> intro.mov

-rob.



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: arvind on May 26, '05 02:16:47PM

Hehe .. and the title of the movie is "Mac Buddy Tiger" :-) Funny
The movie doesn't have the sound. It is stored as separate mp3 (intro-sound.mp3) in the same folder.



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: clarkdv on May 26, '05 07:51:45PM

Cool, now what's the best way to join the mp3 to the mov to make a whole, playable intro movie w/ audio AND retain the video quality?



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: clarkdv on May 26, '05 07:57:29PM

Nevermind, I got it. Open the mp3 in QuickTIme Pro, Select All and then copy. Open intro.mov in QT Pro, select Add to Movie. DUH!



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: SandManMattSH on Jul 30, '05 04:39:07PM

Not exactly...
If you notice, the MP3 is a LOT longer than the MOV.
If you do that, you end up with a lot of blank space.

~Matt



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hint does not work for rme
Authored by: SOX on May 26, '05 10:49:10AM

When I open a command-F window it always defaults to "computer" and shows the "others" button but not a buttom for the current folder. I have unselected the preference for "folders open in new window" and this does not change this behaviour. So it must be some other factor. The hint is a non-hint but does recognize a problem.



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hint does not work for rme
Authored by: robg on May 26, '05 11:21:12AM

I've now added a note to the original hint, based on your comment -- I had verified this issue with three other users, and they all confirmed the issue and fix.

However, in doing some more testing, I figured out the problem, which is now noted in the hint...

-rob.



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hint does not work for rme
Authored by: network23 on May 26, '05 12:23:45PM

I have a different result. Being in Column view and having "open in new window" deselected, when I select the Pictures folder and hit Command-F, the bar for me is "Servers, Computer(selected), Home, Folder"Pictures" and Others. The Computer tab is selected, not the Pictures folder.

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hint does not work for rme
Authored by: morgion on May 26, '05 12:25:21PM

This is so inconsistent (especially with the view type difference) I'd call it a bug. Has anyone paid a visit to http://bugreport.apple.com to tell the devs about this? I would, but I'm not yet up and running on Tiger.

Of course, most of the Finder is an inconsistency bug at this point... but don't include that in your report. Reminds me of what John Siracusa said in his review of Tiger on Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/3):

The first time I saw the new Mail toolbar, I filed a bug on it. (Radar 3968093: "Toolbar buttons in Mail 2.0 are hideously ugly.") It was immediately closed as a duplicate, so at least one other person agrees with me.


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inconsistent behaviour
Authored by: SOX on May 26, '05 12:38:03PM

I have two different computers and they behave differently with respect to this.
On one of them the hint did not work immediately, but after the first search the selected folder did start appearing in the list of places to search. However it was never selected by default. it always selected "computer".

On the other computer this works perfectly. it always shows and default selects the folder I was cuyrrently viewing or had selected. It works regardless of icon view, column view.

highly inconsistent and no obvious origin



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: vegangeek on May 26, '05 12:16:27PM

I just tested with List and Icon views on 10.4.1 (as well as my normal column view), and in all cases, the currently open folder in whatever view I'm in comes up as a location option when performing a command-F

steps:
Open a new window, click on hard drive in sidebar
Change to icon(or list) view
double click on a folder to open
-- repeat as deep as you'd like to go
Cmd-F

Spotlight find 'folder' opens with open folder as option on Spotlight location bar

not sure what it could be making this not work for others, although to be completely clear, it's the OPEN folder, not a folder just clicked on (highlighted) that comes up as the option. I ran across this when I first installed tiger, but once I figured it out, it all Just Worked™

-robb



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: JimAkin on May 26, '05 02:52:11PM

After a little investigation, I've concluded that Tiger's Command-F behavior is weird, but not inconsistent, and much of its behavior depends on the presence or absence of open Finder windows.

When no Finder windows are open, typing Command-F in the Finder yields the same result whether the "Always open folders in a new window" preference is on or off: a New Search window containing the target-location buttons "Servers," "Computer," "Home," and "Others...", with Home selected as the default location. If you've specified something other than "Home" in the Finder's "New Finder windows open..." preference, that appears on a fifth target-location button, and it's the default selection.

If you've got one or more Finder windows open, Command-F behavior depends in part on the "Always open folders in a new window" Finder preference. As described in the Hint, on a system with the preference turned on, typing Command-F in the Finder has the same effect as when no Finder windows are open.

However, with the "Always open folders in a new window" preference turned off (Tiger's default), the folder displayed in the frontmost Finder window always appears as the default target location in a New Search window.

Weirdness ensues from the fact that this is true whether or not the front Finder window is active when you type Command-F. If you're digging through your hard drive and decide to search a particular folder; you expect Command-F to target a New Search on that location. But if you do ad-hoc searches by clicking the Desktop and typing Command-F, you're unlikely to recognize that a hidden or obscured Finder window determines the New Search's default target location.

A final twist concerns the behavior of New Search windows that are open when you type Command F in the Finder: If a standard Finder window is frontmost, New Search windows behind it perisist when Command-F brings up a new New Search window. But if you type Command-F in the Finder when a New Search window is the frontmost Finder window, that window pops to the foreground and its default target location changes to the system hard drive. If that front New Search window is obscured and you click the Desktop and Command-F, your New Search looks newly opened, but aimed at yet another seemingly arbitrary target location.

All of this is confusing and weird, but it's too consistent to be a bug, even though it's hard to recognize it as such.


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Jim



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Not true at all, it's consitently inconsistent
Authored by: SOX on May 27, '05 10:29:06AM

You're simply reporting what you see on your machine. In fact the behaviour is weirdly inconsistent on many machines. I have tested it on several and the behaviour varies. On one computer I have it alwaya works the way you would expect. command F brings up a search window with the folder you are in listed as a search point and selected by default.

However on the machine I am typing this on weird things happen. If I am in column view then pressing command-F pulls up the search window with the selected folder listd at the top, but it is NOT selected by default. ("computer" is selcted). And if I am in icon or list view then the current folder is NOT even shown at the top. Also if I am in column view and I got there not by navigating down from the top but by clicking on the sidebar (e.g. pictures) then again the current folder does not appear in the list.

It's buggy.



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Ahhrg! more inconistency!
Authored by: SOX on May 27, '05 10:52:42AM

Okay I dont think that "fix" I just posted is correct. I got fooled by another artitifact.

I have noticed that the behaviour of not showing the selected folder in a search initiated from icon-view varies with the folder. It seems to be consistent in behaving correctly in some folders and incorrectly in others. For example search propoerly shows and selects the current folder when I search in the application folder but not in any subfolder of my home directory.

This reeks.



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Ahhrg! more inconistency!
Authored by: SOX on May 27, '05 10:52:42AM

Okay I dont think that "fix" I just posted is correct. I got fooled by another artitifact.

I have noticed that the behaviour of not showing the selected folder in a search initiated from icon-view varies with the folder. It seems to be consistent in behaving correctly in some folders and incorrectly in others. For example search propoerly shows and selects the current folder when I search in the application folder but not in any subfolder of my home directory.

This reeks.



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10.4: Avoid a Spotlight Command-F search issue
Authored by: murph on Jul 30, '05 06:07:14PM

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems to me the easiest way to accomplish searching a specific folder is to navigate to the folder you wish to search, then just type your search term in the search field of that folder's window - forget command-f.

You may have to "train" the finder to do this on an ongoing basis. The first time you navigate to a folder and type something in the search field, it might still default to "computer" or "home," but instead of "other" you should see the name of the folder your navigated to. Select that name, and forevermore when you navigate to a specific folder and type something into the search field, the search should default to the folder you've selected.



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