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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7 Web Browsers
Install the latest version (7.0) of Adobe Reader, known in a past life as Acrobat Reader, and it will also install a Safari plugin that enables you to view PDF files directly in a Safari web browser window. This saves a bunch of time over downloading the PDF to disk and then launching Acrobat. This is one feature that was handy on a PC, and while there was a third-party plug-in floating around that does this, it's very nice that Adobe now provides that functionality out of the box (click the screenshot for a larger version).


This has, obviously, been around since Reader 7.0 came out, but with the stability of OS X, it was only today when I accidentally quit Safari and then had to relaunch it that it picked up the newly installed Internet Plugin that's installed in /Library -> Internet Plugins -> AdobePDFViewer.plugin.

[robg adds: I hadn't even downloaded Reader 7 yet; after installing it and testing the PDF plug-in, I must admit that Adobe's done a really nice job with it -- there's a page browser sidebar, searchability, comments and attachments show up, selection and rotation tools, and full zoom control. Schubert-IT's PDF Browser Plug-in still has a role to play, though, as the Adobe solution seems to only work in Safari...]

UPDATE:

Since this subject has attracted a fair bit of attention, and quite a bit of "Schubert vs. Adobe" discussion, I took the time to do a head-to-head comparison of the two plug-ins. Please read the rest of the hint for the table (apologies for my most-basic table formatting; I didn't spend much time on it). If you see anything that's incorrect, or something I missed in either one, please let me know and I'll add it in...

Feature Description Schubert Adobe
Save Y Y
Print Y Y
Email N Y
Search N Y
Search Options N/A Whole words only, case sensitive, include bookmarks, include comments, match exact word or phrase or match any words, proximity, stemming
Text Selection/copy N Y
Graphic Clipping N Y
Zoom Options + and – buttons 14 specific sizes, + and – buttons, fit page, actual size, fit width, fit visible
Fit Page Vertical N Y
Fit Page Horizontal N Y
Fit Whole Page N Y
Rotate Page Y Y
Spell check N Y (comments and form fields)
Form Support N (data can be entered but not saved) Y
Undo Field Changes N/A Y
Browsers Most Safari Only
Hide Toolbars Y Y
Viewing Options Individual, Facing, Continuous Single page, Continuous, Continuous Facing, Facing
View One Page at a Time N Y
Show Attachments N Y
Thumbnail Page Browser N Y
Jump to Specific Pages N Y
Jump a Page at a Time Y Y
View Comments Y Y
View Comments as Text N Y
Search Comments N Y
Quick 'Open With Viewer' Access Y N
Table of Contents Button [Note 1] Y N

[Note 1 – I couldn't find a PDF online with a table of contents with which to test this feature, so all I can state is that Schubert has a button for it, and Adobe does not. It may very well work fine in both plug-ins, but I don't have a viable test document to check them with.]
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My Question...
Authored by: TheSpoonman on Jan 20, '05 10:29:59AM

Is 7 any faster than 6? I still use 5 on all of my machines because I can't be bothered to wait the 30-45 seconds it takes 6 to load everytime I accidently click a PDF link (even on my brand-new Powerbook!). 5 loads instantaneously.

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My Question...
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 11:09:30AM

Loading Reader 7 on either my PowerBook or my G5 is quite speedy; I downloaded and opened a 25+ page PDF on the PowerBook, and Reader 7 opened, ready to browse the document, in something under three seconds, maybe less (didn't time it; just eyeballed it and counted :) ).

-rob.



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My Question...
Authored by: maddys_daddy on Jan 20, '05 12:07:23PM

Yeah, but how much RAM do you have? For those of us who've been unable ($$) to upgrade our RAM from the factory 256MB (in my case, in an 867MHz PB G4), the loading is painfully slow. XRG shows that it's not the processor that's laboring away, ruling out processor speed as the issue, but HD activity and memory usage goes way up. Fortunately for me, my new RAM upgrade is in the mail. :D



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My Question...
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 01:00:14PM

That's definitely the major factor; both my machines are loaded with RAM (all third-party, none Apple-provided beyond the stock amount). 256MB is borderline unusable for even typical OS X usage, let alone browser plug-ins.

Apple really shouldn't sell machines with 256MB. OS X works best with 512MB or more...

-rob.



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My Question...
Authored by: prodok on Jan 21, '05 05:07:18PM

The first time Reader 7 (and also Acrobat 7) is loaded, it takes its time. The next time it is loaded, it is pretty fast.

Overall operating speed of Acrobat (Reader) 7 is about twice the one of Acrobat (Reader) 6.02. These numbers are tested with complex forms, something Acrobat (Reader) 6.02 is known to be extremely slow.



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My Question...
Authored by: masjones on Jan 20, '05 12:47:53PM

I just installed on my PB G4 867 and it opened significantly faster than version 6. I have 384M RAM. I stopped uisng Reader because it was so slow. I like Preview but maybe this one will change my mind...

Also the Safari plugin is faster and more reliable (in limited uses so far) than the Schubert plug in.



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My Question...
Authored by: Chris Haynes on Jan 20, '05 05:47:29PM

Have you tried to disable unwanted plugins in the Adobe Reader.app? Just get info on it, expand the "Plug-ins" section and un-tick the polug-ins you don't think you'll use. Seems to speed it up. I think this was a hint some time ago...?

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My Question...
Authored by: osxpounder on Jan 24, '05 05:36:21PM

Where do you see this? I get info on the Reader app, and I see nothing about plug-ins. Could you be more specific?

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My Question...
Authored by: tooki on Feb 16, '05 06:10:14PM

In my experience, Reader 7 launches and runs as fast as Preview. The speed increase over version 6 could hardly be larger. Adobe did a really good job making 7's speed up to par with both Preview and Reader on Windows.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: diamondsw on Jan 20, '05 10:34:32AM

Not to mention, the third-party PDF viewer plugin loads nearly instantly, whereas the Adobe one still requires launching all of Adobe Acrobat 7, which takes *quite* a long time.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 10:49:53AM

Not sure what you mean by that -- it clearly doesn't launch Reader 7 on my machine. It takes about two seconds to open a 25+ page PDF; one or two page PDFs open basically instantly.

There's no Reader 7 icon in my dock, and 'ps ax' then searching for Adobe, Reader, and PDF all come up blank. So as far as I can tell, the only thing running is the browser plug-in.

-rob.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: lebowski on Jan 20, '05 11:08:40AM

Well i haven't tried this yet but judging from the screenshot the Schubert plugin is much nicer still. I'll still with that for the time being at least.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: lebowski on Jan 20, '05 11:09:58AM

*stick with that


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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 11:15:12AM
As much as I like the Schubert plug-in, it's missing a few nice features that Adobe's offers. The page browser is quite useful, but even more important, Adobe's plug-in handles things that Schubert won't. As an example, try the 1040 tax form.

In Schubert, you see the form with a bunch of ???? in the fields. With Adobe's plug-in, you can enter data into those fields, and save the filled-in form locally, all from your browser.

-rob.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: tonyinsf on Jan 20, '05 12:14:14PM

Please state the version of the Schubert plug-in you are using, otherwise you do a disservice to everyone here.

I am using 2.0.1 and it has no problem with the 1040 form.

Also, I believe it has as many, if not more features as the Adobe plug-in.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 02:14:24PM
See my other reply below; Schubert does not support PDF forms. You can fill data in, but you can't save the form with the filled-in data.

-rob.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: prodok on Jan 21, '05 05:23:35PM

Actually, that's what you can not do with Reader (or Reader powering the browser plug-in) either, UNLESS the form has the so-called Extended Rights (which would have been applied by the creator of the form, using the Adobe Reader Extensions Server (or whatever that thingie's name du jour is...).

The 1040 tax form for 2004 does bear those extended rights, that's why you can save it with the filled in data, using Reader.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 22, '05 05:10:18PM

Right, that's what I was referring to -- the extended rights forms, not the simple ones. Sorry for any confusion.

-rob.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: maddys_daddy on Jan 20, '05 01:18:44PM
rob, I just downloaded the most recent version of the Schuberth plugin, and it seems to have fixed (well, sort of) the issues that you're concerned with. While you can't have a page view in the sidebar, you can view a collapsible tree view of the TOC (if one exists for the file). This for me, more often than not, is much more convenient than page view. See this pdf document to see the TOC (if you have a recent version of the Schuberth plugin). Also, forms are fixed. I had no problem filling out the 1040. The only caveat is that using the "Save" or "Save as..." option won't save the filled in form data (which stinks). However, selecting Print>Save as pdf... will save a pdf with the form data filled in. The only drawback to this is that there is a header (extraneous pdf meta-data??) that appears above the 1040 page 1. Haven't tried it with any other PDF forms yet. The biggest reason I'm sticking with the Schuberth plugin is that I use Firefox pretty much exclusively, and, as far as I know, the Adobe plugin won't work in firefox.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: whoadoggy on Jan 20, '05 11:41:35AM

I couldn't find a quick and easy way to open the file in the Reader or Preview from the plugin. The browser and the plugin took up so much of the window that you couldn't see much of the document of interest. Schubert is much nicer with a button to open in preview.

Also beware Reader automatically disables shubert upon installation.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 12:01:32PM
Wow, tough crowd today :).

I just measured, and the Adobe PDF viewer actually takes one more vertical pixel than does the Schubert viewer. Yes, the toolbar itself is notably taller (there's a button to hide it at the bottom of the screen). But Schubert leaves more empty space before it gets to the top of the PDF -- so the actual content of the PDF starts one pixel lower with Adobe than it does with Schubert.

I took full screenshots using both plug-ins, and I can see just as much of the PDF in both programs -- OK, one less pixel width's row in Adobe, but that's it...

Both are very handy to have; both have strengths and weaknesses. But Adobe is the first plug-in to handle forms and provide a page viewer, which are the two reasons it will be my primary Safari PDF browser. In the other browsers, of course, I'll continue to use Schubert.

-rob.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: mjones1040 on Jan 20, '05 02:12:51PM

The toolbar at the top (which is ugly) can be toggled on and off with the icon on the lower left. Nice!



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: KingDoom on Jan 20, '05 01:45:52PM

I agree with Rob that Adobe 7 is a nicer, more capable PDF reader for Safari than Schubert.

As noted earlier, however, Schubert no longer opens in other browsers--Preview wants to open them. I haven't figured out how to get Schubert to now open in Camino.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: magir on Jan 20, '05 03:48:38PM

type "about:plugins" as a URL and hit return. You'll probably see nothing (because the Camino-guys still haven't implemented that) but sometimes this triggers the activation of the plugin and it may work again. If not I guess the Adobe-Plugin is superseeding the "Schubert"-Plugin, in this case it might help to move the Adobe-Plugin somewhere else, where only Safari can find it (no idea if there is a place - probably somewhere within the safari package).



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: windrag on Jan 20, '05 04:29:07PM
The Adobe plugin gives me the following error mesage:
Safari can't open the page "http://anygiven site.com/anygivenpdf.pdf". The error was: "Cannot load plug-in" (WebKitErrorDomain:203) Please choose Report Bug to Apple from the Safari menu, note the error number, and describe what you did before you saw this message.
Despite this warning, the pdf seems to load fine. Anyone else notice this?

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: cisko on Jan 21, '05 11:27:15PM

I'm experiencing the same problem. I put a post on the Adobe Reader Forum outlining the behavior but have not received any hints as to the cause:

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@85.ffP5dYWSHcE.2@.3bb7b45c/1

I noticed that Swift in this thread also appears to have this same problem.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: meldavid on Mar 19, '05 01:31:03AM

I got the same error message as well. I disabled it by using a different PDF plug-in and turning off Adobe's PDF plug-in.

To turn off the Adobe PDF Internet plug-in for Safari, just launch Adobe Reader 7, go to its Preferences, click on the Internet tab, and un-tick the box that says, "Display PDF in Browser using".

Then download this plug-in (free for personal use) and follow its installation directions.

http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/




Hope that helps!



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: KingDoom on Jan 20, '05 08:58:33PM

Thanks for the tip. I didn't try it b/c Schubert started working in Camino again, without me doing anything. There is quite a bit of discussion about this at the Camino forums. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=188140



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Nobody else has this strange behavior?
Authored by: Swift on Jan 20, '05 11:23:39PM

In Safari, immediately after installing Adobe Reader 7, I just happened to click on a pdf, and was amazed to see the Adobe plugin pop up. But since the beginning, it's been strange: very, very fast, faster than Schubert, but a dialog pops up first, saying "Can't open <address.pdf>, and then, it opens it -- but half the dialog is living behind it. I have to click on the half-hidden dialog and then press return to get rid of it. With Firefox, the pdf is downloaded, and then up pops the full Acrobat 7.0 app with the said doc. This is also very fast, frankly, and on my G5, the Reader seems at least as fast as Preview. I'm still exploring the little hidden feature. Frankly? I think Adobe got scared by Preview, and they knew what a clunker they had in 6.0.

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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: mjones1040 on Jan 20, '05 11:10:10AM

Does this plug-in work with scroll wheels. That is really the only complaint that I have with Schubert-IT's PDF Browser Plug-in. It does not support scroll wheel functionality.



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 11:50:18AM

Yes, it works quite nicely.

-rob.



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: cheeseworm on Jan 21, '05 11:22:55AM

What kind of mouse do you have? It doesn't work with my Logitech Pilot.



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: robg on Jan 21, '05 11:47:29AM

Microsoft Optical (wired) at home and Microsoft Optical (wireless) at works. Scrolls fine with either of them...

-rob.



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: jhersco on Jan 20, '05 01:23:10PM

Version 2.1 works with my scrollwheel.



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: mjones1040 on Jan 20, '05 01:48:54PM

Does the scroll wheel work in Safari? I've never been able to get it to work. I've had version 2.1 for some time and a scroll wheel mouse. Based on my conversations with the folks at Schubertit, it is not possible in Safari, but perhaps there is another update or configuration that I am missing...



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: mjones1040 on Jan 20, '05 01:52:18PM

Here is the info on Scroll wheels from the Schubert it website.

http://www.schubert-it.com/support/



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Scroll wheel functionality ??
Authored by: maddys_daddy on Jan 20, '05 01:24:45PM
Just FYI, the most recent Schuberth plugin (I just installed it today) does support scroll wheels. Well, let me qualify that: it supports my "scroll wheel" functionality provided to my PB trackpad by SideTrack. Since SideTrack essentially uses a scroll-wheel driver to accomplish this, I am assuming general scroll-wheel functionality. I could be wrong, though...

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Tried it with Firefox, no go
Authored by: silas on Jan 20, '05 11:14:59AM

Just confirming that the new plugin doesn't seem to work with non-Safari browsers. I removed the Shubert plugin and reloaded Firefox, and it went back to its old ways of asking what app to open a PDF URL with.

If anyone is able to shuffle things around so that Firefox or other browsers can use this plugin, let us know!

Silas



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Tried it with Firefox, no go
Authored by: tonyinsf on Jan 20, '05 12:08:47PM

"Just confirming that the new plugin doesn't seem to work with non-Safari browsers"


I am using version 2.0.1 and it works great in FireFox.

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Tried it with Firefox, no go
Authored by: d00d on Jan 20, '05 12:26:46PM

Read for comprehension. He's talking about the Adobe PDF plugin (the new one being mentioned in this hint).

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Tried it with Firefox, no go
Authored by: tonyinsf on Jan 20, '05 12:29:25PM

Then clearly, Shubert is the better plug-in, why bother with Adobe?

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Tried it with Firefox, no go
Authored by: d00d on Jan 20, '05 12:34:44PM

Because some of us use Safari and like to search PDF contents (or use any of the dozen other features present only in the Adobe plugin).

Additionally, this plugin costs nothing to commercial users while Schubert costs quite a bit.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Jan 20, '05 12:06:01PM

I just installed Acrobat 7 pro on my machine and didn't even realize it came with a PDF browser plugin until I read this!

I also have been using the Schubert plugin, but I like the extra features in the Adobe version, and it seems just as fast on this machine. :)

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Safari 2.0 will have PDF viewing built-in
Authored by: Tulse on Jan 20, '05 12:26:37PM
It looks like the version of Safari to come with Tiger will have built-in PDF display, although I don't know if it will be as nice as either Schubert-IT or Adobe's solution.

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Safari 2.0 will have PDF viewing built-in
Authored by: prodok on Jan 21, '05 05:32:47PM

We will have to see what is supported. My speculation is that Safari's PDF display capabilities will be primarily for the imaging level (which would cover most documents), but I have serious doubts whether it will support smart documents, containing active elements (fields, links, etc.), and JavaScript.

But I am open to any surprise (with 7 years experience of pushing PDF forms to their limits, one gets to the point that anything is possible...).



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Schubert is better
Authored by: tonyinsf on Jan 20, '05 12:27:07PM

Every thing said about the Shubert plug in is not true. It does work with FireFox. Someone said it couldn't handle a 1040 form. Wrong. It does.

Please, in the future, please state the version number of a product if you are going to talk about it in comparison to another.

There is one good thing about this article, I was using version 2.0.1 of the Schubert plug-in. I went to the site and found it has been upgraded to 2.1. I don't notice anything different, it seems to have the same features as 2.0.1, such as rotate, zoom in and show contents, etc.

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Schubert is better
Authored by: robg on Jan 20, '05 01:14:49PM

I was using version 2.0.1 of the plug-in, and the form most clearly doesn't work with that version. So I just went and downloaded 2.1, and it did seem to work, at least somewhat. The question marks are gone, and I can type in the fields.

The problem comes, though, when you want to save your filled-in form. You can't. The PDF will save, but none of the data that you enter is saved with the form. At least, I couldn't find a way to make it save the data. I tried both Save and Save As, and both ways, I get nothing but the blank PDF. The Adobe plug-in, on the other hand, saved my form data perfectly.

So, in short: there are two browser plug-ins now for Safari. That's a good thing. Pick the one you like and use it. For me personally, in Safari that's the Adobe plug-in due to forms and page previews. In all other browsers, where only Schubert works, it's Schubert.

-rob.



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Reader 7 install into Safari bundle?
Authored by: jmacak on Jan 20, '05 01:02:14PM

I've read that Reader 7 installs a Framework folder inside of Safari's application bundle. See this comment on VersionTracker:

<http://www.versiontracker.com/php/feedback/article.php?story=20041221133159476>

Are there any concerns about this?



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Reader 7 install into Safari bundle?
Authored by: rjvaughn on Jan 20, '05 04:59:12PM

Yes, Adobe installs a Framework folder into the Safari.app bundle. The folder is a collection of links to frameworks in the Adobe 7.0 bundle.
I'm not sure that it's a concern except perhaps when removing Adobe 7.0 or replacing the plug-in with another providing similar functionality.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: maddys_daddy on Jan 20, '05 01:31:55PM
I'm curious, why does the Update feature in 6.0 not find or notify you of version 7? I just tried it, and it only found and installed a minor security update. Yeah, it's trivial, but by default, I usually try to let applications update themselves before I "overwrite" them with newer ones.
Just curious.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: ceffe on Jan 20, '05 02:37:19PM

I like the Reader plug-in. There's one thing that is a bit annoying that I'm not sure is present with the Schubert plug-in. It is that the window content becomes blank when using expos. I use expos a lot since I've found it really helpful to get around given my 12" PB screen.
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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: Michael Hoppe on Jan 20, '05 04:20:00PM

Try shift-F9 ...

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: webbix on Jan 20, '05 04:26:49PM

My personal preference it to avoid loading PDFs in the browser window. It reduces the amount of screen room by adding another menubar to that of the browser. I suppose for those with plenty of screen room (have used portables for a long time though since the PB190 the largest has is still 14/15 inches.

Our company users require using Adobe for PDF due another software dependency. As the sysadmin I have kept mine as Preview as it launches quickly and views most PDFs as expected.

One last issue about using the plugin to view PDF is that users want a copy and usually do not think to save from the PDF menu. I suppose it is still stored in a tmp file somewhere. But downloading to my specified folder I know exactly where to get the PDF.

my two cents (almost valueless in today's economy)



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Advantages of plug-ins
Authored by: hamarkus on Jan 20, '05 06:15:57PM

As most people using a pdf plug-in will probably confirm to you, if you browse the web a lot, especially using seach engines, and you don't use a plug-in, you will end up with quite a huge number of pdf files in your 'download folder', 99% of which you will have throw away again.



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Advantages of plug-ins
Authored by: webbix on Jan 21, '05 03:05:02PM

I have not looked as I don't use the PI to view PDFs but I will be very surprised if your PDFs that are viewed in the browser are not cached somewhere on your system. I assume (maybe wrongly) that at some point they will be silently deleted. So there is a trade off. I manually delete PDFs I do not want from my specified/known download folder or wait for the clutter to be moved at some point by the system. And I still have to manually save the PDF documents I want.

Personally, I browse the web quite a bit but do not find a glut of sporadic PDF files. I note that a link in the search results is a PDF and determine if I want to download it to view. Optionally, if I am not sure I choose view as HTML which provides a crummy rendering usually but allows me to see what the content is.

Really just a matter of preference and work style.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: Kesh on Jan 20, '05 08:46:43PM
Thank you! I've been wanting to turn this feature off ever since I installed Reader 7. I prefer to queue downloads of several PDFs in a row, and this plugin was interfering with that. I'd rather read my PDFs in Preview or Reader themselves, rather than my browser.

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Adobe Plugin doesn't remember where Reader is
Authored by: chabig on Jan 20, '05 09:56:38PM

The Adobe plugin "forgets" where Adobe Reader is when Safari quits. Every time I launch Safari and then click on a pdf, the Adobe plugin makes me find Adobe Reader all over again. It does this on all three on my machines. I wonder if its because I use a user account?

Chris



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A pdf with a TOC
Authored by: maddys_daddy on Jan 20, '05 11:49:06PM
Just FYI, in response to robg's note 1 below his table, see this pdf if you'd like to view a pdf with a TOC. I posted this link for robg's benefit in one of my posts above, but in his business, I guess he missed it. ;)

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A pdf with a TOC
Authored by: robg on Jan 21, '05 01:02:22AM

Actually, I think you posted that one while I was working on the table, so yea, I hadn't seen it yet.

I just tested it, and the Adobe reader opens the ToC as a Bookmarks tab on the edge of the screen (just like it does for the Pages tab). Quite nice.

-rob.



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A pdf with a TOC
Authored by: prodok on Jan 21, '05 05:39:02PM
Actually, what Schubert calls "Table of Contents" are the Bookmarks in a PDF. However, I guess that the only action the Schubert plug-in supports are GoToView link actions (whereas many other actions can be assigned to a bookmark in Acrobat).

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: aubreyapple on Jan 21, '05 12:27:51AM

It is beyond annoying that Adobe installs this without asking. Unlike Kesh, I still have not figured out how to disable this annoying plugin. I LIKE to download my PDFs and view them later!!!



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 21, '05 01:00:07AM

Delete the Adobe plug-in found in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins. Also view package contents on Safari, and navigate to Frameworks and remove the Adobe framework aliases.

-rob.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: EccentricAnomaly on Sep 19, '05 04:39:26PM

Unfortunately, Acrobat Reader has what it calls a 'self-healing' feature, which will reinstall this plugin if you run the acrobat reader again later. The only way to get rid of this malware feature is to dig into the acrobat reader preferences under the 'internet' pane.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: padmavyuha on Jan 31, '05 06:58:11AM

Actually, you don't need to do anything as drastic as deleting any files to turn off the Adobe Reader 7 Safari PDF browser option - in AR7 preferences, go to Internet and uncheck all the checkboxes - this will return Safari's Schubert functionality if you're using Schubert, or none if you have none (for those who want to just download pdfs for later).

- padmavyuha



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: msk on Sep 07, '05 10:56:09AM

You can only turn off the Adobe Reader 7.0 plugin if you use an adminstration account and then you have to copy the preference file to the user accounts.

Notes from another posting of mine:
If you can't get the Internet preferences disabled in Reader 7.0 in the non-admin accounts either copy an admin preference file "com.adobe.Reader7.0.plist" or try editting that file using the Property List Editor (if you installed the Developer Tools).

Under the section Originals, look for BrowserCheck and BrowserIntegration. If BrowserCheck doesn't exist select Originals and clcik button New Child, change the "New Item" to "BrowserCheck", change it to an array, then expand the disclosure triangle and press New Child, change it to "Number" with value of 0 and hit "New Sibling" button and change it to Boolean with value of No.

If you convert it to text you would get:

<key>Originals</key>
<dict>
<key>BrowserCheck</key>
<array>
<integer>0</integer>
<false/>
</array>

Next do the same for BrowserIntegration if it does not exist.



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: masjones on Jan 21, '05 11:45:52AM

After looking at Rob's table it really looks like Schubert has more features. I have had problems with Schubert rendering pages incorrectly, sometimes I get a scrollbar, sometimes I don't. If I reload the page it usually fixes the problem, however. I have not had this problem with the Adobe plugin. (Yet, knock on wood, cross fingers, etc...)



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 21, '05 12:10:29PM

It looks like Schubert has more features? I count 15 'No' entries in Schubert's column, and only two in Adobe's column. I'd say that's a feature win for Adobe. The one Schubert feature I wish Adobe had was the "open with external" button.

For me, the key Adobe features are: searching (hooray!), capsule page views (and/or bookmarks if the PDF has a table of contents), and the text/image capture tools.

The biggest downside for Adobe is the "Safari only" support -- I prefer Firefox most of the time...

-rob.



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Adobe seeks to close PDFs
Authored by: tomem on Jan 23, '05 03:51:18PM

I didn't see any one point this out, so I will.

Reader 7 shuts off Preview and Print to PDF capabilities of the OS X print dialog. So they have gone to some trouble to prevent folks from generating Apple PDFs from Reader. Why would they do that, one wonders? When you get your first Adobe Reader 7 compatible PDF, you find out. Preview cannot display them, and applications like Combine PDFs cannot work with them.

It seems clear that Adobe is trying to regain control of its PDF format, to force folks to buy Acrobat. This seems short-sighted on Adobe's part and I hope Apple is able to keep ahead of them and keep PDF a truly open, cross-platform file format.

On the other hand, I also hope MP4 (AAC) will be kept open by Apple competitors. The temptation to try and close file formats seems irresistible.

TomEM

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TomEM
Crofton, MD



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Adobe seeks to close PDFs
Authored by: mpmchugh on Jan 24, '05 04:09:50AM

PDF is an open published file specification, and it changes over time. That's called progress. It's Apple's job to keep Preview and the rest of the OS up -to-date with the latest PDF spec. My guess is that Tiger will be fully compatible with files generated by Acrobat 7. This was also the case with Acrobat 6 and Jaguar before Panter arrived.

Regarding the preview and print to PDF features from the Acrobat print dialog, these have never worked with Acrobat, simply becasue Acrobat uses it's own PDF rendering engine, not Mac OS X's. I've run into a few instances where I'd like these to work too, but print previewing a PDF is kind of redundant anyways.

-Michael



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Adobe seeks to close PDFs
Authored by: jiclark on Jan 24, '05 11:43:11AM

I have not installed 7 yet, so I'd like to know if it actually removes the 'Print to PDF' feature set completely from one's system, as the first poster seems to claim, or whether they're just not available in Reader, as the above poster explains is the logical result of Adobe's more proprietary formatting engine. Can someone clarify?

TIA!
John-o



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: robg on Jan 24, '05 06:21:46PM
Reader Richard Glaser sent the following comment to me via email, and gave me permission to post it here with his name. Everything in the box below is from Richard's email (I added rearranged some line breaks, added a clarifying word in a sentence or two, and changed raw URLs to hyperlinks, but that's it)...

I wanted to comment on Adobe Reader 7 PDF implementation from security and administrative perspective. Note, many installers and/or applications cause burden for enterprise, and anybody who manages a group of open Mac OS X boxes, from security issues, like world writes, improper install location, preference hierarchy, etc.

Many of these issues are outlined in the white paper Mac OS X Enterprise Application Management Best Practices", and my group's web page Application Deployment Problems and Solutions. One thing to note, with the latest release of Adobe Reader 7 is that it comes with and installs a PDF plugin for Safari. They don't mention this at all on their What's New page. I would think they would want to highlight this feature, since it's been requested so much...

The bad thing is that the PDF plugin doesn't offer feature parity with the Windows version of the PDF plugin, and is really poorly implemented from a administrative/security standpoint. For example, the digital management solution CONTENTdm will display images inline with the Windows version of the PDF plugin, but not any Mac OS X version from Adobe or Shubert-It. There are many other example of lack of support on the Mac OS X side of the PDF plugin vs PC, which I hope someone (Adobe, Apple, Shubert-It) fixes it. Anyway, back to the poor security/administrative implementation off Adobe Reader 7...

For example, the Adobe Reader 7 installer, installs a world-writable Frameworks folder inside the Safari.app package, containing aliases to items inside the Adobe Reader 7.app package. If you remove this folder then view a PDF with Safari, AdobePDFViewer.plugin copies it right back into place (with permissions set to 777, of course). If the Frameworks folder is not there and you do not have write access to /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/, the plugin does not function with Safari - instead you get prompted to choose another application to view PDFs.

So if you want to use AdobePDFViewer.plugin in a lab environment, you will have to make sure the Frameworks folder is in place every time you update Safari (since you probably don't want to leave /Applications/Safari.app/Contents user-writable). Hmm, and if you rename your Safari to, say, "Safari 1.2.4" then try to view a PDF, AdobePDFViewer.plugin creates a dummy, empty app package /Applications/Safari.app, only containing the Frameworks folder full of aliases - and the PDF plugin still works!

So, you do have other PDF options, again it doesn't give you feature parity with the Windows Adobe PDF plugin, but is much nicer implementation and supports other browsers. It is called PDF Browser Plugin 2.1, you can get more info and download it via the link. Note, it is free to education.

-rob.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: mark hunte on Jan 26, '05 06:58:01PM

I notice hayne pointed out that you can turn off a choice of plugins in the get info window for this app, Thats a hint in its self for me at least.

But I may have missed this in all the comments, you can turn off the browse in web browser by opening the app and going to preferences ->internet and un-tick the options there.

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: mark hunte on Jan 26, '05 07:07:04PM

Sorry that was Chris haynes (not Hayne) :)

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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: sigfpe on Jan 30, '05 03:47:31PM

What's the best way to disable the Adobe plugin? I'd like to switch it off without deleting it. (I've had the plugin hang a few times and given how unreliable the plugin is on Win32 I don't really want to use it here.)



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: padmavyuha on Jan 31, '05 07:01:22AM

You can turn it off directly from AR7 preferences - go to Preferences->Internet and uncheck the boxes there.

- padmavyuha



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: sigfpe on Feb 06, '05 07:38:54PM

Thanks!



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: laram on Feb 23, '05 07:08:30AM

Ryk,

I'm getting the same error. I wonder if it's some kind of timing out issue. I'd rather not switch back to the Schubert pdf plug-in. What's even more strange is that this started happening very recently even though I've been using the adobe plug-in for some time. This did not happen when I first started using it.

Does anybody have any idea how this might be fixed?



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View PDF files in Safari with Reader 7
Authored by: Crow_Song on Mar 07, '05 10:24:12AM

I am also having the same problem, and have seen it on another OS X machine as well. The problems happened immediately on the other guy's Mac; mine worked fine for quite a while, but has now started to do it, too. I guess I'll be trashing this plugin. I hope it didn't do anything nasty to my system...



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