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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5 Apps
I've been thinking hard about how to bypass what I think is a limitation in iTunes' smart playlist capabilities, that is to create a list with a combination of logical operands. You can create lists with only AND or only OR operators linking the different conditions. But if you want to have, for example, a smart playlist named 'Pop/Rock from the 80's,' you want to create something like:
  • genre is pop OR genre is rock AND year is between 1980 and 1989...
Until iTunes 4.5, though, you where out of luck. But with this new version, Apple has added a "playlist" criteria in the smart playlist dialog. This new criteria can help you construct a whole new set of playlists. To build your 'Pop/Rock from the 80's' playlist, you'll have to do the following:
  1. Create a pop/rock playlist: that is, a smart playlist with the two conditions genre is pop, genre is rock with the "matching any of the conditions" button checked.
  2. Create your 'Pop/Rock from the 80's' list itself, with the "matching all of the conditions" option selected, and the two following criteria:
    • playlist is pop/rock
    • year is between 1980 and 1989
With this new criteria, you can build a final playlist with any set of AND and OR operators ... just use your imagination!
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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: Anonymous on Apr 30, '04 11:59:46AM

Big improvement!

But, sadly, it requires creation of (potentially) large numbers of "placeholder" playlists so you can nest logic. Not only does this clutter the iTunes screen but adds all these playlists to your iPod (where clutter is unacceptable). And, no, I don't want to manually manage playlist syncing with my iPod...

Baby steps...



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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: googoo on Apr 30, '04 12:49:27PM

I agree! This is hardly the elegance I have come to expect from Apple--it is more like the behavior I would expect from an app by another large software company located in the Northwest USA.

Nevertheless, it is nice to finally have this functionality.

-Mark



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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: njnystrom on Apr 30, '04 01:04:51PM
But, sadly, it requires creation of (potentially) large numbers of "placeholder" playlists so you can nest logic. Not only does this clutter the iTunes screen but adds all these playlists to your iPod (where clutter is unacceptable).

Not true for the iPod: just create a playlist that contains the union of several other playlists, and sync that one to the iPod. I now have a playlist constructed by unioning 5 GB of most often played music, 5 GB of most recently played, and 5 GB of most recently added, all capped at 9GB to fit on a 10 GB iPod. The three 5 GB lists are not synced to the iPod.

I agree being able to use both AND and OR operators in a single smart playlist would be better, though.

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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: Edward Brown on May 02, '04 09:04:14AM

One really nice thing that can now be done (and couldn't be done with just AND and OR functionality) is the creation of a playlist that shows what is NOT in any iPod targeted playlists. So you can find really easily what music is currently not on your iPod - great for updating what is to be added to the iPod. (I now have a manually built 'on iPod' playlist, and an automated 'not on iPod' list)

Now all I want is a 'has / does not have album art' criteria...

Ed



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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: rb3 on May 03, '04 02:08:09PM

Doug Adams's web site has several scripts that will create a new playlist of all your tracks lacking album art. Great time savers - check 'em out.

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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: Greenfruit on Apr 30, '04 03:18:46PM

im surprised the party shuffle playlist isnt duplicated on the ipod.

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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: Duaiwe on Apr 30, '04 05:54:16PM

The exact functionality of the party shuffle would probably be tricky to replicate on the iPod. (Specifically, the ability to remove upcoming tracks from the list, and reshuffle the upcoming songs).

But I agree, I think a biased random playlist would be great addition to the iPod.

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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: masjones on Apr 30, '04 06:41:39PM

You can make a random playlist.

I use these parameters.
1. Last played is not in the last "X" days
2. Play count is less than "X"
3. Select the Limit list to X songs selected by random.

Set it to match all conditions
To rotate songs on this list set it for live updating. When a song reaches the play count you set it gets removed from the list and a new one is added.

Voila, a random playlist that updates itself!

Mj
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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: Greenfruit on May 01, '04 05:49:03PM

ive got loads of playlists similar to that, using genre and comments to customise them further.

they arent the same as the party shuffle tho as the option to play favourites more is good and the mix of recent and less recently played songs works well.

just duplicating the party shuffle on the ipod would be a good start without worrying about the add/remove malarky quite yet.

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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: asan102 on Apr 30, '04 09:47:02PM

The "On The Go" playlist on the iPod already offers most of the Part List features that are possible to implement on the iPod, and even does some things better. It will not populate the list with random songs for you, but you can add songs to make your own queue by clicking and holding the center button when a song is selected. It will flash, and then it will be added to the On The Go list.. You can use this as a queue, as long as you have random play off. You can't re-sort them, or delete selected songs, or select a song to play immediately next as you can do on iTunes, but you can clear the playlist, and those features would be hard to implement on the iPod anyways.



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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: cudaboy_71 on May 02, '04 11:33:06AM

'course ya gotta have a 3G iPod for that :/

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Select multiple playlists
Authored by: ogukuo on May 01, '04 03:58:34AM

I think a much better approach would be to allow for selection of multiple playlists (the same way you select multiple songs). The effect of selecting multiple playlists would be to display the intersection of the playlists (ANDing them), I guess you might want to allow for the union of the lists (ORing) by adding a match any/all playlists option in the preferences.

The payoff is that you would only need a few lists which you could combine how you wanted e.g. 80s music, 90s music, Rock & Pop, and My Top Rated would allow for 80s Rock & Pop, 90s Top Rated, Top Rated Rock & Pop etc.

The big bonus for me personally would be an "Available Locally" playlist. This way when my iBook is away from the network, where my music is stored, I would combine this list with whichever other list I wanted, and only get tracks which were on my iBook.



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Add logic to smart playlists in iTunes 4.5
Authored by: bkuemmer on May 01, '04 01:34:11PM

While I agree with some other posters that this new feature is not as elegant as it could be, it really allows to build some powerful playlists: For example, you can now have a playlist with 25% Jazz and 75% Rock by combining a 1-hour random Jazz playlist with a 3-hour random Rock playlist, selecting randomly from them...

This is really great I think!

Cheers
Bernd

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Playlist based on file location?
Authored by: endquote on May 03, '04 01:05:23PM

Is there any hack to make a smart playlist that shows files in a specific folder? At work I use a stack of DVD-Rs that is a backup of my library at home, and it would be great to have (and share across the network) a playlist of whatever's on the disc that's currently inserted.



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nested lists.
Authored by: theRegent on May 03, '04 02:42:08PM

Hear, hear.

I store the bulk of my music library on an external hard drive that is shared to several machines on my home network, at times including an iBook/TiBook or two.

The fact that there is no "Folder is..." selection for Smart Playlists seems like a rather odd omission. While I understand that a large number of users may not want to ever see/navigate/eventhinkabout the folder where their music files reside, many of us keep these directories organized—or use tools that do this for us—and would like to generate playlists based on where we've put that music. (e.g. 'Newly Encoded' or New Arrivals')

Beyond that, I'd venture to say that no matter what sifting/sorting/finding/grouping tools are added to the application some of us are going to wind up with a large number of playlists. It seems to me that there's a clear need for an option to group playlists into some sort of (probably folder-like) hierarchy. Or at the very least an option to manually sort them or otherwise control their display order. (Also true for the iTunes script menu.) A good example would be to compare the interfaces for Pixadex to that of Iconbox.

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