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Based on the results of the current poll, which shows over 80% of the readers here (at least, of those who voted) running on Panther, I've decided that there's no longer a need to code the "10.3" hints. The Panther meta-hint contains a list of 431 Panther-specific hints posted, updated through yesterday, and that's where it will stop...

From now on, I won't be updating the list, and I won't be coding a hint to be 10.3 only -- in fact, just the opposite will happen. If I receive a hint that fails in my testing (on my 10.3 machine), I'll correspond with the author to find out if they're running a pre-10.3 release, and if so, I'll note that it's a pre-Panther hint. But since I haven't seen a hint that didn't work in Panther in a few months, I don't expect many of those.

The other reason for the change is that more and more apps are coming out with Panther-only versions or features, which makes the "10.3" thing a bit of a misnomer -- technically, every Safari 1.2 hint should also be coded "10.3".

I'm sure this will irk a few people, but the extra time each day that I spend not having to code the hints and update the meta-hint means a few more minutes available for testing and publishing the hints in the queue!

-rob.
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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: PancakeMan on Feb 18, '04 12:18:27PM
As somebody stuck with Jaguar, I'll miss the 10.3 prefix which made browsing the site much easier. But the time you put into this site should certainly be used at your discretion, and I'm grateful for the tips with or without the prefix.

p.s. GarageBand runs on 10.2.6+.

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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: robg on Feb 18, '04 01:16:40PM

Doh! How right you are :). Reference removed from the hint; thanks!

-rob.



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I'm irked
Authored by: pdxguy on Feb 18, '04 01:57:07PM

A number of Mac users choose to use a Mac instead of a WinTel box (among possibly other reasons) simply because it is not the dominant or prevaling platform. And now you've turned around and done a WinTel on those that choose not to use the majority or prevalent OS X release. What irony! And as one of those users of OS X 10.2.6, which in my opinion is rock-solid and thus I would rather have stability over features, I'm irked. Why not just change the title of the site to Mac OS X Panther Hints instead? Heck, go another step and add some JavaScript to test for Pather-specific browsers and deny everyone else. Yeah I'm irked, I'll probably spend much less time here and I'll not refer friends and others to it unless absolutely necessary. How sad that the tyranny of the majority silences again the minority - especially in the Mac community.

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Nothing will ever be attempted, if all possible objections must first be overcome.
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I'm irked
Authored by: robg on Feb 18, '04 03:25:24PM
Sorry you're upset, but I spend major hours on the site every week, and I've always done my best to make it work for everyone. But I have to balance the reality of my limited time each day with the needs of the readers and so yes, the majority wins. That's the way it goes, unless/until this site goes commercial, subscription, etc. and I make enough money to quit my day job, devote my full day to the site, and hire some assistants to help with the workload. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I guess I don't understand why you're so upset -- is it the fact that you might actually read something that doesn't work? Assuming you plan on upgrading your system at some point, I would think that having the knowledge of a hint would be a good thing, and not a bad thing...

In any event, here's an alternative proposed solution -- if a hint author specifically codes a hint submission as "10.3 only," then I will include that in the title of the hint. I will not update the Panther meta-hint, as that's a manual task and it's very time consuming. In addition, I will not test any hints on anything other than 10.3.x. This is basically what the situation has actually been like for quite a while -- I've been taking the authors' words for it when they say "10.3 only," as my access to Jaguar (either mine, or through friends) has been greatly diminished since December or so. So in essence, things will be just as they are today, but I will not update the meta-hint, and there will still be no guarantees that a '10.3' coded hint is really 10.3.

Thoughts?

-rob.

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I'm irked
Authored by: robg on Feb 18, '04 03:33:13PM

And to further clarify, there will still be *tons* of pre-Panther hints here...I'm not saying it's a 100% Panther-only hints site, only that my handling of "Panther only" hints has to change a bit, given the majority usage of the readers, and the amount of time I have available.

-rob.

(P.S. - Panther is at least as rock-solid for me as 10.2.x ever was; no kernel panics across three machines and thousands of hours of usage; very very rare application quits (no more common than in 10.2.x). So new features does not automatically mean less stability.)



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I'm irked
Authored by: mjones1040 on Feb 18, '04 04:03:49PM

Robj. You are to be commended for your grace in handling this comment. This site is much too useful for anyone to be that irate over how you choose to organize things here. You can't satisfy everyone 100%....People submitting hints are free to specify 10.2 or 10.3 verified/proven.... I don't see an issue here. Sounds like he wants you to do his research and testing for him. That's my 2 cents.



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I'm irked
Authored by: applemaster on Feb 18, '04 10:30:38PM

>Sounds like he wants you to do his research and testing for him. That's my 2 cents.

mJones, make that 4 cents. He reminds of some of the "Users" at the Apple discussion boards or even here sometimes. "If I stick my face against an oven burner, will it hurt?" or "Tie my shoes for me". Quit complaining and 1) deal with it, especially since it isn't that big of a deal anyway or 2) do it yourself.

Rob, Kudos to you for the way you handled his post.

-AM

p.s. Of course, those "users" are only a very select minority. They just happen to stick out like a sore thumb. I wouldn't want to upset anyone who frequents the Apple discussion boards, as I also do.


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I'm ironied
Authored by: martinx on Feb 18, '04 04:32:00PM

I thought your .sig was quite ironic in the context of your complaint. :-)



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I'm irked
Authored by: Helios on Feb 18, '04 04:55:31PM

Please grow up,
This minor change hardly ruins the whole site, If everyone was like you we'd all be using "good enough" operating systems.



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I'm irked
Authored by: steeviant on Feb 18, '04 08:13:03PM

<rant mode=annoyed>
This doesn't make a lot of sense, your tone makes it sound like you're saying that you won't even recommend this site to your friends running panther. Talk about doing your friends a disservice, with friends like you, who needs enemies?

If you're really as annoyed as you say, you could go away and start your own website especially for the supposed legions of 10.2 users like yourself, called osxjaguarhints.com or something...

I bet you won't, because it's a lot of work. You're failing to recognise the work that RobG is putting in to run this site free of charge for the Mac community, he's putting in his money and his time every day to bring this site to us, it looks like you're complaining because you're too cheap to pony up $129 for a new version of OS X and expect everyone else to wipe your bottom for you because of that.

Maybe you could apply for welfare or something?

Your attitude strikes me as particularly outrageous considering that the site isn't planning to ban jaguar hints or do anything else that's going to limit you in any way whatsoever. If the site irks you, don't visit it.

I for one will be glad to see the back of you.
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It's not even $129 anymore!!
Authored by: jiclark on Feb 19, '04 12:56:42AM
MegaMacs has it for $80!!
So don't wait any longer; go for it...

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I'm irked
Authored by: imageworx on Feb 19, '04 09:39:35AM

There's a saying, "You can please some of the people ALL of the time, but you can't please ALL of the people ALL of the time" -pdxguy just might be one of them.
(is there a disclaimer that says...this site is free and will always stay true to past OS X?...I must have missed that one...) < sarcasm

Why not look at this as an opportunity for some individual to start their own website and call it Pre-Panther Hints..or something like that? Then you can spend all your time away from family, friends, hobbies, etc, and work at the subscription model, and BBS forum moderation and finally, coding for 10.2.x.

Personally-I left MacFixit for the reason of a rude and ignorant forum moderator. And that Ted sold his stake to VT (even though Ted Landau still contributes). What once started out as a community that contributed to the success of the site (but no $ reward), has now gone to subscription model. After a curt but assertive argument that many of us had contributed much to its success, our reward was a year subscription and renewal *if* we continue to get our tips posted.
But the forum moderator made a comment that still irks me to this day. (not quoting it as its pending libel)
So I can see leaving here. I can understand how it can upset one.
But I tend to sympathize with Rob- it doesn't make sense from efficiency standpoint. Perhaps pdxguy might want to do the coding and post it for rob?

RANT-I recommend that folks that support Apple, should do so by purchasing new systems and staying up to date with OS. And support websites that go the extra mile (and not rumor sites) to help the community.

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To BeOS or Not to BeOS



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: outofcontrol on Feb 18, '04 10:17:43PM

Upgrading from 10.2.x to 10.3 was the best thing I ever did. Not one kernel panic since the upgrade and my machine is sooooo much faster in Panther. Not to mention some of the other nice little features you get.

I would recommend anyone who hasn't thrown in the $129 for the upgrade should do so now. It is money very well spent.

All that to say keep up the good work Rob!



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: scott122 on Feb 19, '04 08:46:10AM

I am "stuck" in Jaguar until HP decides to release drivers for its OfficeJet G85 all in one printer-scanner-copier-fax machines. I appreciated the "10.3" tags.

When I first tried to upgrade to 10.3 - I have the Panther software right here - I ran into a problem with iTunes. It would not run and crashed continually, so I tried to deinstall Panther. What a mess I made out of my machine! I got the "black screen of death" on my Mac! I could not log in as myself, only as my wife, and had to move all my files to her iMac and then erase my hard-drive. I was told that the original problem was probably a corrupt song in my iTunes folder.



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: Anonymous on Feb 19, '04 09:15:44AM

I don't see why you'd drop the 10.3 coding. What happens in the future when 10.4 comes around? You'll do a search, and some hints will be coded as 10.3, some 10.4, and some not coded at all. Those hints with no code, are they for 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4? Or have you devised a better system?



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: robg on Feb 19, '04 11:04:59AM

In the *long term* future, I hope to have Geeklog customized to support some sort of voting system that allows the readers to vote as to whether a given hint works on a particular release of OS X or not. You could then run a search on hints just for your OS. That's way out there, though, as it will require hiring someone to make some very core changes to Geeklog.

In the short term future, things will be as they always have been -- I'll note if a particular hint runs on my machine or not. In the absence of any note, the assumption is that the hint should work on all recent releases of OS X.

-rob.



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: ngb on Feb 19, '04 04:26:05PM

I was going to suggest he try MacOS9Hints.com, as I've heard there are more Macs running OS9 than X, though that's probably overly harsh.

Seriously, though, is there any problem with hooking up a couple friends and buying a family pack for $200? Get 5 people and the per CPU cost is only $40. That way you're still supporting Apple with a legitimate license, and saving money, too.



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No more '10.3 coded' hints...
Authored by: robg on Feb 19, '04 08:27:24PM

Supporting Apple, yes. Legitimate license, no. The five licenses have to be used by related individuals living in the same house, as I recall...

-rob.



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