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I had to install Panther on my wife's iBook and was thinking how my TiBook install DVD (Jaguar) was better than 3 CDs and that maybe it was possible to create a DVD from the CDs. I didn't find anything on the Internet so, from bits and pieces I had read before, I tried to get one DVD from the three CDs. It worked!!

Read the rest of the hint for the how-to...

Instructions:
  1. With Apple's Disk Utility, create an image (DMG file) of the first Panther CD. Let's name it "Panther.dmg" and place it on the Desktop. IMPORTANT: the image must be in read/write format so you can add files later. Don't mount the image file yet.

  2. Now head to the Terminal. Type the following:
    hdiutil resize -size 2g -imageonly ~/Desktop/Panther.dmg
    
    This command resizes the image to two gigabytes (this took 1 minute, 20 seconds on my 1GHz TiBook). Now, the partition inside the image hasn't been resized yet. For that, type:
    hdiutil resize -size 1.9g -partitionOnly ~/Desktop/Panther.dmg
    
    Notice how the partition size is smaller than the image size. How much smaller should it be compared to the image file? I don't know, but hdiutil will give you an error if you try to grow the partition beyond the space available in the image file.

  3. Mount Panther.dmg. Now you have a disk with 1.28 gigabytes of free space.

  4. Insert Disc 2 and copy all files from Mac OS X Install Disc 2 -> Packages to Mac OS X Install Disc 1 -> System -> Installation -> Packages. The Finder will give you a warning about items with the same name: select Replace. It seems Disc 1 has placeholders for all the installable packages.

  5. Repeat step 4 with disc 3.

  6. Open the file Mac OS X Install Disc 1 -> System -> Installation -> Packages -> OSInstallCache.plist with a text editor (or with Apple's Property List Editor, included with XCode). Delete any IFPkgFlagProxyPackageLocation key. They look like this:
    
    <key>IFPkgFlagProxyPackageLocation</key>
    <string>disc://Mac OS X Install Disc ?/**********
    </string>
    
    Where ? stands for Disc 2 or 3 and ***.... for a Package name. Removing these lines tells the Apple Installer that it should look for the packages at Mac OS X Install Disc 1 -> System -> Installation -> Packages. Delete all text from <key> to </string> (including these two keywords).

  7. Unmount the disc and burn to a DVD.
I did this and was able to install Panther from the DVD.

Now, you can grow the image file and partition beyond two gigs (to fill the entire DVD) and copy additional installers. I used a DVD-RW so I will reburn it with the MS Office "installer" and a few extras (xCode, etc.). I guess this hint will really be helpful to people maintaining a lab full of Macs.
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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: davidro on Dec 27, '03 09:03:51PM

Can you add installer packages to the standard OS install? For example, can you add the Developer Tools packages in such a way that they become part of the standard install?



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: zgafford on Dec 27, '03 11:50:44PM

I can't get it to work at all. I always get the "over max size allowed" error. I even put it all the way down to 1gig and it would still error.



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Dec 29, '03 01:53:50AM

i did this when i hacked the Puma updater, but i had to make room on the CD for the dev tools, i dumped printer drivers and localizations. after that i had room for a few other pkg based installers, like the most recent version of iTunes and i believe i had iPhoto on it too.

the trick is to tweak a different plist file (i don't recall which one off the top of my head, and i'm being to lazy to find out what one it is :P )

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vacuums do not suck. they merely provide an absence that allows other objects to take the place of what becomes absent.



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Dec 29, '03 02:23:04AM

ok, after doing some more poking around, it looks like it is the same plist as the one mentioned in the hint - they changed the meta package structure a bit since puma (i'm not surprised, they needed to support multi disk installs)

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vacuums do not suck. they merely provide an absence that allows other objects to take the place of what becomes absent.



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Dec 29, '03 04:06:51AM

ok, there are 2 more plist files i edited for completeness.

/System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg/Contents/Info.plist
/System/Installation/Packages/OSLocInfoCache/English.plist (for completeness you should edit them all, but i'm lazy :P )

i also edited the copied /System/Installation/Packages/Developer.mpkg/Contents/Info.plist

as far as the edits go... in OSInstallCache.plist i copied the edited dict from Developer.mpkg into OSInstallCache, and then copied each dict from the indicidual packages (it was a female dog!) next i added one more key to the 2nd level dict in OSInstall.plist that said Developer.mpkg - i put it just above X11. as far as the english.plist goes, i've been lazy and havn't even done much updating to that... we'll see what happens when i burn the disk, i doubt it's needed.

i have not yet burned this disk to test it because i have yet to download the necessary updates to make my DVD as up to date as possible. what i have done is i've fired up OSInstall.mpkg to make sure that all the new things are listed.

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vacuums do not suck. they merely provide an absence that allows other objects to take the place of what becomes absent.



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: timkingman on Dec 29, '03 03:44:44PM
To complete some things the above poster didn't explicitly state, be sure to update OSInstallCache.plist and Developer.mpkg/Contents/Info.plist to change:

<key>IFPkgFlagComponentDirectory</key>
<string>../Packages</string>
to:

<key>IFPkgFlagComponentDirectory</key>
<string>..</string>

Also, the CHUD Tools package seems to check for an OS on the target volume and therefore won't install with a fresh OS. To "fix" this, just remove or rename CHUD.pkg/Contents/Resources/VolumeCheck.

I'm also interested in adding updates to this image, I'll try to post any further steps or infomation as I come across it. Time to order some DVD-RWs (and maybe even a faster SuperDrive...)

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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Dec 29, '03 05:58:57PM

i added the 10.3.2 update, XCode 1.1 update and iTunes 4.2 to my disk. there are a few other version checkers i had to remove, in order for it to want to install. iTunes 4.2 is still giving me problems because even though it's an mpkg it's formatted completely different from the way any of the other mpkg's are formatted. course this was 3 AM by the time i got hung up on iTunes so i STILL haven't burned a disk to try it out.

i'll let you know when i get iTunes working.

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vacuums do not suck. they merely provide an absence that allows other objects to take the place of what becomes absent.



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Modify the list of packages on the DVD?
Authored by: knowmad on Dec 31, '03 02:49:05PM

Ok, it sounds like your doing an awful lot of work and that it is SERIUSLY useful work. any chance you can, when your done (or at a stable point) write it all up in one hint/forum post/email and tell us which files you edited ho to include what and make it all work?
for that matter seing as how the files you are editing are small, any chance you can post the editted files somewhere with an explination of what was done? (am willing to host such an item).
thanks
knowmad

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A smart man learns from his mistakes, A true genius learns from the mistakes of others, too.



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Can you create a boot DVD with working Safari, Terminal, etc?
Authored by: 1equals0 on Jan 02, '04 10:51:13PM

i used pacifist to extract all the parts of safari and terminal, and placed them into the boot dvd image.

no joy...but it was for a diff reason.. i used ccc which completely failed to make a bootable dvd...so i dont know if it would have worked.

can someone confirm?



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Can you create a boot DVD with working Safari, Terminal, etc?
Authored by: macpoupou on Jan 03, '04 07:32:35AM

With BootCD you could make boot DVD.
I haven't try with Panther but with Jaguar it works perfectly.

http://www.charlessoft.com/



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Can you create a boot DVD with working Safari, Terminal, etc?
Authored by: Sophic on Feb 27, '04 07:49:33AM

I've done standalone boot CDs for OSX, OS9, Linux(PPC & X86), Win 98 & XP. With the right config and apps installed, you can do almost anything (expecially system backups). It takes time to achieve perfection though. Always keep a previous version of your image and make one change at a time. You can go back to the old version if you go beyond the point of no return and find out what you did wrong. Burn to CDRW / DVDRW until you get a version that works. I used an application called 'boot cd' from http://www.charlessoft.com to do OS X. Although it ran on G4, G3 & Imac, it froze on an xserve but couldn't afford the downtime to examine why.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: macman13 on Dec 28, '03 10:21:07AM

This all stops making sense around step 4. Can some one clarify please? What do you mean by copy from Disk 2 to Disk 1? Help?

Thanks.
SA

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\\\"I can do everything on my Mac I used to do on my PC, plus alot more ...\\\"
--Me



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: joshforman on Dec 28, '03 11:44:21AM

The first step is to make a disk image out of the 1st install disc, so the first step gives you an electronic replica of Install Disc 1. Once you have that image to the right size, you add disc 2 and 3 to it.

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Josh Forman

http://www.joshforman.com/



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Doesn't work for me....
Authored by: jubelc on Dec 28, '03 10:32:23AM

I get this from Terminal:

hdiutil: resize: unable to open "~/Desktop/Panther.dmg" as a disk image Operation not permitted (1)
hdiutil: resize: failed. Operation not permitted (1)



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Doesn't work for me....
Authored by: Bev on Dec 28, '03 10:39:57AM
Lowering the case of -partitionOnly worked for me...
hdiutil resize -size 1.9g -partitiononly ~/Desktop/Panther.dmg
instead of
hdiutil resize -size 1.9g -partitionOnly ~/Desktop/Panther.dmg

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Doesn't work for me....
Authored by: ProfDrLuigi on Dec 28, '03 10:49:08AM

Hi.

Are you logged in as root?



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Doesn't work for me....
Authored by: archiboy on Dec 28, '03 01:40:52PM

I'm seeing exactly the same behavior logged in as admin using the command exactly as stated also prefaced by sudo or logged in as root. I've seen this error both under Panther Client and Server.

Any clues would be appreciated.



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Doesn't work for me....
Authored by: archiboy on Dec 28, '03 02:04:06PM

I fell into a similar trap as jubelc. I was attempting to use an existing .dmg file and modify the write permissions via chmod. It seems the .dmg file needs to be initially created as a Read/Write using Disk Utility.

BTW, great hint. THX!



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Problem Solved Yet another question arisen
Authored by: jubelc on Dec 28, '03 01:49:08PM

How stupid of me... when I made the image... I forgot to change the image format to Read/Write... It was Read-only all this time until I tried again.

now question #2:

how do you make a DVD with 2 partitions with one that contains the Panther installer and the other whatever other installers you want so it would both be available to you when you mount the DVD?



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Multi-partition DVD
Authored by: a1291762 on Dec 28, '03 08:18:17PM

I've not done this with a DVD (I don't have a DVD burner) but I've done it with CDs. The solution was to burn multiple "images" to the DVD. Obviously the Finder won't let you do this. I did it with a Windows program (that's where the burner was). Just burn both ISOs onto the disc. Don't overwrite what's there. The images end up one after each other and both appear when you insert the disk.

Mind you, that only works on MacOS. Windows and Unix only saw the last partition on the disk.

Link



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Multi-partition DVD alternative
Authored by: Marc Wolfgram on Dec 28, '03 11:46:55PM

Rather than partition the DVD, it's easier to make the original image large enough to contain DMG files of the additional things yoiu want to have available from the installer disk. After completing the steps provided (Thank you for the clear instructions - worked flawlessly!) with the three basic install images, I simply copied a DMG of the Xcode Tools CD to the new image. Anything that can be installed from a DMG file will work.

Happy New Year!
-- Marc



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: hankeg on Dec 28, '03 12:46:39PM

Can this be modified to include updated version of 10.3.2 rather than the 10.3 on the CD?



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Dec 29, '03 02:09:08AM

thats another thing i added to my puma disk, updaters! (see my reply to the 1st post)

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: mozart11 on Dec 29, '03 01:21:41PM

I made the DVD so my son can install Panther on his B&W G3. But can a regular CD Rom player mount a DVD cd? All my computers have DVD readers in them, so I haven't been able to test this yet. Anyone know.

Thanks



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: shemp9999 on Dec 29, '03 01:29:25PM

a DVD is not a CD. a CD-only drive will not read a DVD disk.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: joshbi on Dec 29, '03 01:31:05PM

Nope. DVD's are completely different from CDs. They require a smaller laser to be read. A CD player is going to have no idea what to do with a DVD disk.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: zgafford on Dec 29, '03 03:30:40PM

Is there a way to make a dvd out of Panther upgrade disks? I made the .dmg but when I went to move the files I don't have the folders list. I am guessing it's because I have upgrade disks



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10.3: Create a system install CD from DVD
Authored by: huv on Dec 29, '03 05:50:48PM

anyone know how to do this in reverse and make cds from a system dvd???



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: demmons65 on Dec 29, '03 08:35:04PM

1. I had to use TextEdit to make the changes to the plist file. Actually, I pasted the contents of the plist into BBEdit, made the changes there, then pasted the changed text into TextEdit and saved it.

2. I made the disc image larger as I wanted a little more flexibility in adding other installers I wanted on the disc.

3. The disc booted for me, I've yet to use it as the backup of my home and Applications folder is not complete yet.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: demmons65 on Dec 31, '03 12:21:16PM

Followup

I installed Panther on a spare drive last night. Everything worked as was expected.

Those that are questioning the speed of installing from DVD vs. CD should note my install took about 14 minutes. I skipped the verifiy disc option which could very well be turned off somehow anyway.

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d a v e



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: jbrown94305 on Dec 29, '03 09:04:48PM

How did you create the image? When I run step #2 I get this:

$ hdiutil resize -size 2g -imageonly ~/Desktop/Panther.dmg
hdiutil: resize: failed. No space left on device (28)

The image is NOT mounted and it IS read/write.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: Tomster on Dec 29, '03 10:56:58PM

Let's try the obvious first. You are expanding a 650Mb drive image to 2Gb. Do you have about 1.4 gigs free on that particular partition?



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Won't Startup!
Authored by: dihakz on Dec 29, '03 10:43:58PM

I've tried this out, and everything worked great... but when I went to install, the computer would not install from the DVD since it needed to start up from it. So I restarted and held the 'C' key in, and it did not work.

Nor did it work when holding in 'Option' ... the DVD was not a choice in the list of startup disks!

What gives?

How can I solve this problem?

Please help!!!

Darren



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Won't Startup!
Authored by: archiboy on Dec 30, '03 02:32:45AM

I was having this problem all day yesterday and finally figured it out... In Disk Utility where you might see something like this:

Disc ID
Session 1
Mac OSX Install

Do not select the root. Select the "Mac OSX Install" partition when making the new image. Then follow the instructions for enlarging and adding the extra files.

After making several coasters I was finally successful in creating a working disc!

Hope this helps.



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Won't Startup!
Authored by: shemp9999 on Dec 30, '03 03:23:36AM

i made successful copies from a DMG created by selecting the "Session 1" item and then choosing "Images > New > Image from diskNsN" (whre diskNsN is 'disk4s1' or somesuch).



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: sparkleytone on Dec 30, '03 12:14:30AM
There is an easier way to do this. Panther's Disk Util has the neat, ever-useful "Restore" function. Its just awesome.

1) Create a new sparse image the size of a standard DVD. Make sure it is writable.

2) Use the Restore function to restore from the CD, to the mounted DVD image.

3) Add the packages from CD2 and CD3 in the manner described in the main article.

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o'doyle rules.

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: sparkleytone on Dec 30, '03 12:19:41AM
You may need to convert the image to a CD/DVD Master afterwards for it to boot properly.

The best way to check is to mount the image, open System Preferences to Startup Disk and make sure the image shows up. If it does, burn the image and it will work fine.

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o'doyle rules.

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: MtnBiker on Jan 03, '04 08:16:02PM

Do you still need to do Step 6, involving "Delete any IFPkgFlagProxyPackageLocation key" etc?

As of yet, the whole concept of creating sparse images and restoring mean nothing to me. Although at the moment I'm trying what you suggested on a Mac without a DVD burner (mine is 40 miles away).

Thanks for the suggestion.

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: seedy on Dec 30, '03 01:01:22PM

Pardon me if this is off the mark, but why not just make a DVD-sized image, mount it, clone the CD to it with Carbon Copy Cloner, and then add/edit whatever you want from there?

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: sparkleytone on Dec 30, '03 07:20:03PM

That's what I said man. Except there is no reason to use non free software when it is built into Disk Util.

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10.3: Create a system install firewire disk
Authored by: NeutronMonk on Dec 31, '03 08:41:26AM

While I agree that a single DVD is more convenient than multiple CDs, given the disparity between the read speeds for the two formats, I should think that the install would be much slower with the DVD. Why not use the above methods to put the install on a portable firewire disk for maximum speed?



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10.3: Create a system install firewire disk
Authored by: shemp9999 on Dec 31, '03 01:26:15PM

it's a common misperception that DVDs read slower than CD's - but it's not true. due to the apples and oranges techniques employed by the marketers of such devices, a 1x CD read speed is ~150kb, whereas a 1x DVD read speed is over 1 MB.

pioneer says the DVD reader in my G5 (DVR-106D) is 12x (16.62 MBytes/sec) and it reads CDs at 32X (4.8 MBytes/sec).



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10.3: Create a system install firewire disk
Authored by: sparkleytone on Jan 02, '04 01:20:04AM
It applies both ways, all you have to do is use the *drumroll* Restore function.

For those resizing images...its so much easier just to create a sparse image the size of a DVD. Then it only takes as much space as necessary.

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o'doyle rules.

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: seedy on Jan 01, '04 12:28:44PM

Carbon Copy Cloner is pretty much free, although I recommend donating since it's so useful and reliable

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: mweissen on Jan 02, '04 02:54:29AM

Pardon me if this is off the mark, but why not just make a DVD-sized image, mount it, clone the CD to it with Carbon Copy Cloner, and then add/edit whatever you want from there?

I think the boot information needs to go in the CD ROM header, at least that's how the "El Torito" ISO 9660 bootable CD-ROM standard works.

If you make a disk image from a bootable CD, the disk image will be bit-by-bit identical to the original and will thus also be bootable. If you make a new (non-bootable) image, just copying some files to it won't make it bootable; you still need to modify the header.

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carbon cloner didnt work for me
Authored by: 1equals0 on Jan 02, '04 10:40:41PM

while i have used ccc in the past successfully to dupe disks,
i was not able get a bootable dvd with ccc this time like this.

guess i have to try the original posters way...



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10.3: Create a system install DVD, simplified
Authored by: zokdok on Jan 01, '04 04:19:07PM

About the first steps:

I already made an image of the install cds, so I could use the first image as a base.. I converted it to read/write using disc copy (is was all on a jaguar system) then used disc copy again, in the menu is the option: 'Resize disk image...' ... I set it to 4.4 GB, and that was all..
copy the other 2 cds to the image, put some other stuff on it.. no need for any terminal of guessing how large you want to have it..
If you make it too large, you just shrink it with the resize option again..

Most likely I had the export mode on with disc copy (see hints on macosxhints.com). Is there an export mode with the panther version of disc utility (there must be)?

For including installers and other installs of updated software and possible other software, I would really like to know how that can be done. This already saves me awful lot of time as I have to manage the macs at work.. it could also save me some more time, as I'm working only 4 hours a week there..



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#6 grep
Authored by: bussdriver on Jan 02, '04 02:21:04PM

Step 6's grep pattern is

<key>IFPkgFlagProxyPackageLocation.*\r.*


there are 31 entries that need to be removed.

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#6 grep
Authored by: bheller on Feb 24, '04 04:56:41AM

Hi,
I've been working through this and so far so good, but at step #6 I see no such plist files to edit. There are 5 items in the packages folder, a QT installer and 4 other packages (printer drivers, X11, etc.). I have followed the instructions carefully (I believe), I must be missing something? These are 10.3 CDs.

Thanks,
Brian



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10.3: Create a system install DVD >> adding packages
Authored by: betoranaldi on Jan 07, '04 08:33:54PM

Can anyone Give step by step instructions on adding packages to the install, It seems very confusing when i read other posts

Thanks
Beto



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: utangmi on Jan 12, '04 12:06:59PM

can this be done using a external firewire drive instead of a dvd? the problem i came across is the installer forces a reboot. is there a way around it? firewire is much faster.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: ditdotdat on Mar 28, '04 05:08:32PM

I just managed to install Panther using disk images of the official installation disks. As other people have found, I couldn't create a CD that I could start up from using the disk images I had, and the installer wouldn't run from my external firewire drive. However, I found that some of the .mpg packages inside system/installation/packages would work with the Jaguar installer program. So here's what worked for me, you can only do it if you have two drives to play with:

1) Put Mac OS X Install Disc 1.dmg on your internal hard drive.
2) Log in as root.
3) Mount Mac OS X Install Disc 1.dmg and double click System/Installation/Packages/EssentialSystemSoftware.mpkg
4) The Jaguar version of Installer should now run and let you install a basic Panther startup system on your external drive.
5) Restart using Panther from the external drive.
6) Enable the root account and log in as root.
7) Copy all three installation disk images to the exteral drive.
8) Mount the images of all three installation disks.
9) Now you should be able to double click Mac OS X Install Disc 1/System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg which is basically the full installer and will install everything you want to onto your internal drive.

There you go. You may not have CDs but at least you'll have Panther. The logging in as root thing is very important; if the installer is run by anyone apart from root then the resulting startup disk will have some of the permissions set up wrong and won't work.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: entropop on Sep 13, '04 10:01:25PM

Thanks Ditdotdat. You don't know how useful this comment was.

Some useful additional information:

This works on a single drive that is formatted with two paritions.

I used it to update Jaguar and upon restart was asked for disk 2, which I luckily had a cd copy of.

This also helped me install panther despite my broken cd drive in an ibook 600 Because one cannot start up from a usb cd drive.

Another interesting thing is that once panther was installed my previously useless built in cd rom drive kind of works now. I think Jaguar was getting a bit bloated and having a hard time using it for some reason.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: brican on Feb 24, '04 04:14:51AM

what burner software did you use to burn os 10.3 onto the dvd? I just tried to use the built in burner, but couldnt select the image file. I tried to use toast version 6, when i loaded the image file it also wouldnt do it disk copy to disk nor would it work using data. well it burned fine, but it wouldnt boot from the dvd. Any suggestions?



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: bheller on Mar 06, '04 01:12:34AM

OK, I managed to make the DVD and it boots OK, but part-way through installation says "errors occoured" and does not complete the install properly (the target disk is also not available as a startup disk). Anyone know what this could be? Is there a log somewhere? I followed all directions and all altered all files listed in this thread. Anyone out there?

Thanks,
Brian



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: tiga2k on Mar 19, '04 05:08:34PM

how can i add other application to this DVD?

since this bootable DVD only can boot to the apple installer, and there is no desktop, how can i use it to put other application/installer there?



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: llee on Apr 25, '04 12:24:16AM

I've tried to follow the commands for expanding the disk image very carefully, and the "-partitiononly" command always fails with the "resize request is above maximum size allowed" error. The image file size "-imageonly" command is executed without error. Any attempt to increase the partition size to any but a tiny bit larger than its existing size fails with that error. I'm using 10.3.3. How can I resize the image? Thanks.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: cplater on Jul 15, '04 10:06:33PM

I can't seem to grow the partition either. I found some other instructions that suggested using Disk Copy from a Jaguar installation, but that didn't work either. I also tried the sparseimage suggestion, but when I try to restore the CD to the sparseimage I gen an error: "Lost connection to helper tool."



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: aaronmarks on Oct 24, '04 03:51:39PM

I worked for like 4 hours on this and got frustrated to no end. But I've definitely come to the conclusion that the initial steps posted about don't work in 10.3.5. The max stretch size is set at like 743MB so you can't -stretch or resize the file beyond that. I've tried creating the image in many different ways using hdiutil but data always seems to get lost along the way and the image doesn't boot.

I'm trying the tip right now about making a sparse image and then copying data over that way. I'll get back on how that works for me.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: aaronmarks on Oct 24, '04 09:10:39PM

I tried the other method and it didn't work as well. I have just come to the conclusion that you need that exact image of the OS X Install Disc, but for some reason in 10.3.5 you can't resize it :-\.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: cilly on Sep 15, '04 10:53:24AM

Hi folks,

I got some 10.3.4 OS X Install DVDs with my G5.

The only problem is, if I try to use the installer DVD on my G4 I get the message: the bundled software can not be installed on this computer.


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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: peewit on Sep 15, '04 11:38:48AM

The simple way to make an install lDVD from CDs or DVds is to use Slipy from http://www.crabbyapplesoftware.com/
Version 1.3 also allows you to make an install DVD from your original DVD. Slipy allows you to choose the type of install AND allows you to add packages to the DVD it creates as a disk image. So, for example, you could add your baisc 10.3 install initially then add all subsequent updates to airport, 10.3.5 combines, Java and Quicktime 6.5.1 plus any other updates you need (I added an Epson airport printer update for my SP830u)
The installation process is then very quick once it has started up from the new DVD.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: cilly on Sep 15, '04 12:05:43PM
On: hack 10.3.4 bundled install dvd I found this:

I'm going to walk you through modifying a new G5 restore DVD to
make it function as a normal install DVD. These instructions
assume you are currently using 10.3.

1. Pop DVD #1 in your DVD drive. We don't need Disc 2. That has the
extra bundled software which we're not concerned with anyway.
2. Open Disk Utility and click on the volume labeled "Mac OS X Install Disc 1"
3. From the Images menu, choose the New option and select "Image from Mac OS X Install Disc 1"
4. Name it whatever you want. I chose test.dmg. Make sure to chose "read/write" as the image format as we will be making changes to it. Do not use "DVD/CD Master". Click save, grab some coffee and wait until it finishes.
5. Once we have our image, go ahead and mount it.
6. The more astute of you have noticed at this point that there doesn't seem to be any folder containing the install packages like previous OS X install Discs. That crafty Apple hid them on you. The "go" menu is your friend. In the finder click the go menu and select "go to folder". 7. Type in "/Volumes/Mac OS X Install Disc 1/System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mpkg/Contents/" with no quotes. Feel free to copy and paste.
8. Info.plist is the one we're interested in here. Open this file in your favorite text editor. I recommend BBedit.
9. find the section that says

<dict>
<key>IFPkgFlagPackageLocation</key>
<string>Bundled Software.mpkg</string>
<key>IFPkgFlagPackageSelection</key>
<string>selected</string>
</dict>

10. Delete it and save the file.
11. Unmount the image by hitting the eject symbol next to it in the sidebar or by dragging to the trash.
12. Launch Disk Utility. Your image should still be in it's sidebar. Click on the image and then click on the burn symbol. You obviously need a DVD burner for this.

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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: choa on Jan 10, '05 06:02:06AM

I followed step by step the explanation, but the DVD burned is not valid. You've got the "broken OS folder " on screen.
Any other way to make it bootable, and avoid the "bundle software cannot be installed on your computer" message?
Txs



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: choa on Jan 11, '05 09:44:04AM

I can't burn from Disk Copy because my burner is too recent and its driver requires 10.3.
I'm stucked in my updating....
I tried Slipy as well, but also requires 10.3.
Burning from Toast didn't work.
Any other utility soft or Unix commands???
thanks



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10.3: Create a system install DVD disabling message error
Authored by: choa on Jan 12, '05 08:14:17PM

I have to add a slight change to this comment.
I finally got it after 4 days of deep insist and troubles.
Follow steps 1-2 as mentioned and then:
When you create this new image with Disk utility (from 10.2 or 10.3) you have to create a new image "from device" instead of "volume or folder".
Then you can follow step 4 till 11.
Step 12, for those whose burner is not seen by Disk Utility, you can use Toast (test used 6.0.5). Click in the menu copy ticking image file on the advanced toggle.
Drag and drop your image.dmg ( named whatever you decided.dmg) and you will see there is the volume + the ROM part.
That is the important bit as well.
And this will work.
That's cool. You're ready to go.



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"Bundle softwares problems"
Authored by: choa on Jan 09, '05 07:14:58PM

Hi, it's been 3 days i'm trying to find someone who experienced the same message error.
Did you get sorted out?
I have exactly the same message saying "Bundle softwares cannot be installed on this computer".
Could you please help me, and share your experience.
Thanks



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: mwallach2003 on Sep 26, '04 11:55:04PM

Does anybody know how to create a JAGUAR 10.2 DVD?



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: aaronmarks on Oct 25, '04 10:19:40AM

Ok, I've done a lot of testing, and I don't know if it's that I just bought my Panther discs on 10/20/2004 and because of that there is something different about them, or if it's that I'm using 10.3.5 and other people didn't use that here. I have tried even doing this from a formatted hard drive with a fresh install of Panther and it still didn't work. The max stretch size on the partition always seems to be 750MB or around there. I can't make the -partitiononly command grow it beyond that. I have tried other methods listed here and I've also tried just playing with hdiutil to get it to work and no luck. And I really have thoroughly tested it, burned about 10 coasters.

If anyone has any suggestions as to why my .dmg files always have a max size limit of 750MB and I can't resize them beyond that I'd love to hear it. I always get error 22, that it is beyond the max size.

Thanks for any help, would love to get some suggestions.



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.sparseimage technique works great!
Authored by: jiclark on Nov 25, '04 12:24:02AM

Just wanted to chime in that I've just used the technique, suggested by the poster above, that uses Disk Utility in Panther to:

1) ...make a .sparseimage,
2) ...restore Disk 1 of the Panther three-CD-set to the newly created sparseimage,
3) ...then copy the packages from the other two CDs into the sparseimage;
4) ...then remove the parts of the .plist that refer to the individual CDs, as mentioned in step 6 of the original hint (and there are indeed 31 separate instances...)
5) ...save the changes, unmount the image, convert it to CD/DVD master, and burn.

It works like a charm! I must say, it's very slow on an older machine with a slow DVD drive, but on a newer machine, it works great...

Good luck,
John-o



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: gabester on Feb 02, '05 03:21:02PM

This hint really needs to have an updated version released. I've spent all morning trying to get this to work.

I started out using Disk Utility to make a standard sized DVD read/write image and used the restore function to put Mac OS X Install Disk 1 onto it. I then copied the other disks and edited the .plist file. I burned a DVD which seems bootable but gives a kernel panic almost immediately so I don't think it actually is bootable.

My second attempt used Disk Utility, selected "Session 1" of the original install CD, and made a new read/write image from that. However, I can't expand the partition size past 768 megs.

Third attempt, with Disk Utility using restore to write onto a sparse image, failed with an error -20 about 3/4th of the way through.

I'd intended to do my own write-up for 10.3.5 and including how to edit the plist to add 10.3.x updates and later versions of iTunes (possibly even iLife) but if I can't get the basic hint to work, what's the point?



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: peewit on Feb 03, '05 06:01:39PM

Use Slipy:

http://www.mirrors.ausmac.net/ftp/Internet-Buzz/2004-11-November/slipy-13.dmg

This great little program was 'lost' to the internet for a while but it is now mirrored in the above link; it allows you to create a Panther install from a DVD or the 3CDs and then allows you to add extra packages. You can choose to do a full install or customise the install (take out languages you won't need for example)
After it has read the DVD/CDs it will then ask you to add the packages you want to install - I have added the 10.3.7 update, Quicktime 6.5.2, ARD update, iSync and iCal, all Airport updates, a TWAIN install and EPSON Airport updates for the SP830U printer.

It really is worth getting Slipy to avoid all the hassle that seems to be going on trying to get this hint to work.

I haven't been able to make it install iTunes or iDVD as they are metapackages.

The process takes about 15 mins and you are left with a disk image you burn with Disk Utility.
It takes longer than the original DVD to boot up but after that it really zips along.
I've found that repairing permissions after the install and rebooting again is the best option after the install.



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: hints_hinterton on Apr 04, '08 01:50:58PM

Wonderful, Slipy works great!

I made a master DVD with the 10.3.9 Combined Update on it. Seemed to boot fine in my old G4 Tower but I didn't go further with it. It did cheese up in G4 iBook but I've had that happen in the past with burned Panthers and sometimes a different disc will work.

Thanks for the shortcut!



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10.3: Create a system install DVD
Authored by: krbmedia on Apr 29, '05 05:28:20PM

What about the reverse? I have a Panther DVD and I am trying to install it on my daughter's slot loading IMAC G3, and I want to do a clean install. How can I convert the DVDs to CD or install it.

Off topic question. I'm a mac newbie. How can I install a new hard drive on the IMAC? Can I use a regular hard drive? Any size limitations?



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