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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation Install
I just received the Panther CDs from Apple for the Software Up-to-Date program. Disk 1 from the update set actually has the words "Upgrade Disk" printed on it. None of the other disks, 2 or 3, have the words "Upgrade Disc" on them. I make a point of this because I was doing some testing on a modified cube with a Sonnet Encore/ST 1.2 GHz processor and I wiped the hard drive before doing a clean install to see if the Panther OS would function properly. Disk 1 of the upgrade CD set will not do an install if there is no previous OS X installation on the hard drive.

I compared the Disk 1 CDs, and the serial or version numbers listed under "Version 10.3" are different:
  • Retail CD: 2Z691-4585-A
  • Update CD: 2Z691-4633-A
All the rest of the CD's, 2 and 3, in both Retail and Upgrade versions, list the same serial or version numbers on them, 2Z691-4586-A and 2Z691-4587-A respectively. I took a cursory look at the "Mac OS X Panther Installation and Setup Guide" and there isn't anything mentioning that a previous OS X system has to be installed when using the Update CD's. I hope this spares someone extra time and grief.

[robg adds: This is the same thing that Apple did with the 10.2 upgrades. While I ordered the $19.95 upgrade (to have something as early on Friday as possible), I also purchased the five-user family pack for our posse of machines ("But really, honey, we need to buy two more Macs -- I have these two extra licenses for Panther!"). I prefer having a full install CD available, just in case. I'm disappointed that Apple doesn't think recent machine purchasers are deserving of a full copy of the OS...]
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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: dave@mmu on Oct 31, '03 10:18:28AM

i wonder if the checkforosx app is on those cd's? It was in 10.2 upgrade cd's. What you had to do then was to create a master disc image of the cd and then edit it by removing the said app then burning the image to cd, et voila a 10.2 full install cd. Now if it works for 10.3 i dunno as i only have full monty cd's...
Dave

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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: funwithstuff on Nov 06, '03 08:41:35AM
i wonder if the checkforosx app is on those cd's? It was in 10.2 upgrade cd's. What you had to do then was to create a master disc image of the cd and then edit it by removing the said app then burning the image to cd, et voila a 10.2 full install cd. Now if it works for 10.3 i dunno as i only have full monty cd's... Dave
Yeah, it's the same deal. You should also rename the CD image while mounted to "Mac OS X Install Disc 1". This thread (read to the end) has details:

http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=2683

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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: Eident on Oct 31, '03 11:37:15AM

On Tuesday I received my new 17" Powerbook. It came with a software restore CD, XTools and the upgrade version of Panther. That's it! Jaguar was installed on the machine. Of course, I immediately upgraded to Panther. But I don't have full version CDs of any OS X, just an upgrade version of Panther. If I ever need to wipe the hard drive, I will not be able install the OS. I'm going to email Apple and see if they can send me a full version of Panther.



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: Eident on Oct 31, '03 11:49:21AM

Nevermind. I called Apple. The Software Restore CD is actually a DVD that has a version of 10.2, OS 9 and whatever else I need. I'm used to having five or more CDs with all the software. Therefore, I do have everything I would need to restore the machine to Panther. Although, it would require a couple of extra steps.



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: rbriber on Oct 31, '03 04:14:01PM

I found this out too with a older Ti Powerbook (667 MHz -vga video-out). I wiped the disk and tried to install 10.3 from the "Upgrade" disks and received the error that I needed a valid 10.2 install on the disk. I did this.

I reinstalled 10.2.0, and started up from the Panther disk. Interestingly, the Panther upgrade gives you the option of wiping the disk before the install, presumably giving your a "fresh" 10.3 installation rather than an upgrade.

Then I ran into the difficulty that there was no 0S 9 version for Classic installed. I tried booting and installing from an OS 9 (9.2.1) disk but that gave an error that the machine was not supported. This was odd since the Powerbook was an OS 9 era machine that predated 9.2.1. I realized that I could wipe the drive again, install 0S 9 from the original system disks, upgrade to 9.2.2, install 10.2, upgrade to 10.3, but was dismayed at the amount of work this would entail.

I finally solved the OS 9 problem by mounting the Powerbook disk, which had the 10.3 install, in target mode on a desktop Dual Mirror Drive door G4 machine and installing from the 0S 9 9.2.1 disk from the MDD machine on to the Powerbook disk.

Whew!



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: BradMacPro on Oct 31, '03 05:07:33PM

What if you are skipping 10.2 and only have 10.1.x or heaven forbid 10.0.x installed? Say the version that came with a someehat older Mac and never used it before. Can you use the upgrade CDs? Do I have to install Jaguar first to then move up to Panther?



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: robg on Oct 31, '03 05:29:02PM

If you have an older machine, then I can't figure out why you'd have the upgrade CDs -- they're designed for machines that have just recently shipped, all of which had at least some variant of 10.2 on them...

-rob.



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: rcheng on Oct 31, '03 10:50:47PM

I upgrade to 10.3 from 10.1.4. In fact; this is the only way I got my 15" Ti PB to work. An upgrade from 10.2.8 resulting a very weir Finder behavior. I used the restore CD's that come with the PB, and upgrade to 10.3.



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: broderik on Oct 31, '03 06:19:06PM

It's not that bad having an upgrade CD. You can still do a clean install of Panther by installing Jag or whatever your old OS was and then select "Erase and Install" when installing panther. That's what I did and it worked fine



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10.3: Upgrade CDs require existing 10.2 installation
Authored by: kubehead on Oct 31, '03 07:30:50PM

That seems to be a simple workaround.
Thanks for the tip.

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Erase and Install with upgrade CDs
Authored by: ngb on Oct 31, '03 10:03:24PM

I did erase and install with the upgrade CDs and now I have no Classic System Folder. I didn't realize the problem until I tried to install Acrobat 5 (apparently Acrobat 6 does not have this problem, at least Acrobat Reader, but that's another upgrade).

Maybe it's the Classic support that is the difference between the Upgrade and the regular install disks?



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Erase and Install with upgrade CDs
Authored by: broderik on Nov 01, '03 04:52:22AM
Just pop in the DVD (or CD) with your original system software and use Pacifist to install the Classic support and then you're set :)

Or if you have a backup of your HD or you got access to a friend's computer with the classic OS installed you can just copy the system folder (and applications folder if you wish) to your HD and that would work as well.

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My problem :(
Authored by: MacOSXAddict on Nov 03, '03 12:53:47PM

I finally recieved my new G5 Dual, and used it for 2 weeks "as was" knowing that I would do a full format and clean install of Panther when it Arrived. I read through the "manual", and like others have said, it doesn't mention that Jaguar has to still be on the drive. Actually to the contrary they point out that if you want to re-partition the system disks, you should use the Disk Utility on the CD. I repartitioned the disk and formated as HFS+(journled) and lo and behold it refused to install. I had to re-install Jaguar from DVD and then install Panther full clean. Then only to find iDVD and Classic missing (I had to re-re-reinstall from the Jag disks).

But with all the problems over with, I have had no problems since. and there is a noticable speed inprovement over Jag. G5 Dual with 2.5 Gigs of ram, and Panther IS BY FAR the fastest personal computer on the planet....

Bob

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