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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing Network
For some reason, Panther's ability to browse a network for AppleTalk servers is turned off by default. To turn it back on, go to Applications -> Utilities -> Directory Access, and put a check in the box next to AppleTalk (you'll need to click the lock icon and enter your admin password first).
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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: scifiman on Oct 30, '03 11:05:25AM

Just one more confirmation that Apple is finally trying to kill Appletalk.



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: DaveJello on Oct 30, '03 11:38:12AM

Thank you! I've been wondering why AppleTalk wasn't showing up in my network, and couldn't figure out why it was appearing in some of the other computers around the office. Of course, that brings up the question - why did those computers have it enabled by default and mine didn't? (I installed and setup Panther on all of them). Strange...



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Die Appletalk!
Authored by: tomem on Oct 30, '03 07:25:30PM

Die Appletalk, Die! I am so sick of my PowerBook getting tied in knots every time I walk away from my desk, having forgotten to dismount whatever Appletalk volume I have mounted on it.

I'm ready to do everything via FTP or SCP, using RBrowser, if Apple won't make a Finder than knows how to do that stuff...

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TomEM
Crofton, MD



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Die Appletalk!
Authored by: scifiman on Oct 30, '03 09:03:29PM

Yes me, too. As far as ftp and ssh go, I played around with one of the early Panther Betas and if you had the terminal open, when you ctrl-clicked on its dock icon, it would bring up a menu with the ssh, ftp commands in it. I believe you could even save the commands that you used often. Unfortunately, I don't have the final Panther set yet, so I can't verify that it is still there.



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Die Appletalk!
Authored by: jmah on Oct 30, '03 10:24:50PM

I just checked then; there's a really neat "Connect to server..." dialog box which sounds something like what you are describing (although I didn't play with the Panther betas).

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Die Appletalk!
Authored by: blgrace on Nov 29, '03 04:51:24PM

I tried the "Connect to Server" trick from the Docked Terminal.app and I get this:
Connecting to 192.168.0.2...
me@192.168.0.2's password:
Received message too long 1214606444
[Process exited - exit code 255]

I can do a secure shell session though



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: JohnnyMnemonic on Oct 30, '03 11:37:01AM

When you enable AT in the network system pref pane, by all rights Apple should enable AT in the Directory services. Clicking the one is an obvious attempt to enable AT, and shouldn't require two steps to configure.

On a related note, cmd-k gives me an (empty) window with nothing useful; but I can see servers through the top level "Network" icon. What's the difference between these two interfaces?

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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: mm2270 on Oct 30, '03 11:57:06AM

I've been trying to figure out myself why Apple chose to mess with the Connect To.. dialog in Panther the way they did. It seems so much less functional than the previous version. However, in that empty window, if you click the "Browse" button, it will bring you to the Network window, so in a sense they're connected, because opening the Network window is actually browsing.

Now, even after enabling AppleTalk using this hint, I still can't actually browse an Appletalk network the way I did in Jaguar. I have to actually double-click the "Local" folder inside the Network window to see any AppleTalk servers. I wish Apple had left this area alone. It was working fine before. If they wanted to add something useful how about a nice GUI way to make servers mount at startup without resorting to making them log-in items??



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: geofflane on Oct 30, '03 12:18:01PM

They did the connect to in case you wanted to connect to a server that was not publicly browseable or was on a different subnet. Most of those services use some kind of broadcast to announce their availability, but those broadcasts (for obvious reasons) don't route across subnets.

Remember you can use it to mount ftp, web dav and other remote file stores than just NFS, SMB or AFS which generally are not publicly available across the internet.



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: brianw on Oct 30, '03 01:02:59PM

It's all well and good to make it easy to manually enter server names or IP addresses. BUT, that functionality already existed in Jaguar and was just as easy to get to. It's just that now simple networking is much harder to use. For example, servers selected from the Network pane no longer mount on the desktop and are difficult to eject. The only way to tell that a server is mounted is that the icon gets Slightly Greyer. Disconnecting a PowerBook from a network without noticing a Slightly Greyer icon eventually results (for me) in a system hang--something that didn't occur in Jag. There are several discussions about this going on in Apple's support forums; the general consensus (imho) seems to be "this is screwed up, big time."



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: mm2270 on Oct 30, '03 03:05:24PM
Actually there appears to be 2 types of "mounts' in Jaguar. I'm no expert in this area, but I believe the mounted server you referred to is called a dynamic mount, as opposed to a static mount, which would make the share show up on the Desktop. I'm currently connected to my OS X Server via dynamic mount. They don't appear on the Desktop, but I can get to them thru the Network window and opening Local, as I had mentioned in my previous post.

However, I can make them mount statically by typing in the IP address in the new Panther Connect to.. dialog and entering the necessary credentials there. I could be wrong about which is which, but I do know that you can mount any share (smb, afp, ftp) on the Desktop, so it's clearly visible that you're connected.

Despite all this, I agree with your general assessment that Apple messed up connecting to servers in Panther. I don't see why they couldn't have just added a "Browse" button on the old Connect To... window from Jaguar to achieve the same function.
It's really all give and take though, because in Jag I couldn't see past my local subnet of our company network. With Panther, I can now "see" PC servers from here (NYC) all the way to Seattle (sister companies) because they're all part of the same network. That's a big boon for connectivity, so it seems like Panther is a giant leap forward in general connectivity, and a step (or two) backward for ease of use.

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Couldn't agree more...
Authored by: natecook on Oct 30, '03 07:12:13PM

There seems to be a disconnect happening in the interface. You'd like the server to show up in the left-hand column when mounted (as a FireWire drive would), but to do that you have Cmd-K and remember the URL to the server. I really prefer the new GUI for getting to servers, since it's "always on" in a sense, but once you've connected to the server you have to keep going the same route to get to those files...

Network -> Local -> My Server -> etc.... :(



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: ragnar on Oct 30, '03 11:38:28AM

On my system (upgraded from 10.2.8) the appletalk box was checked. Just thought I would share...



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: jonahlee on Oct 30, '03 11:53:40AM

I upgraded from 10.2.8 and my Appletalk was active as well.

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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: jnrhacksaw on Oct 30, '03 02:54:12PM

It could because you did a upgrade and not a clean install. I did a Archive and Install and my AppleTalk was still on.

Just a thought.


Gog



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: ngb on Oct 31, '03 12:23:33AM

I LOVE YOU!!!

I've been trying to figure this out since I got a hold of the first developers release.



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: tweekme on Oct 31, '03 01:48:31AM

On one of my systems (upgraded from 10.2.8) the appletalk box was checked. Interesting thing is that checking the AppleTalk box in Directory services did not work for me. My other 2 systems were clean Panther installs. Those can't see the OS 9 system either.

I have a 9.2.2 Beige G3 system, and three Panther systems. None of the Panther systems see the OS 9 system when it is File Sharing via AppleTalk. If I enable TCP over AppleTalk on the OS 9 system, I see it.

Any Ideas anyone??

Thanks,
Tweek



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: Cameroon on Oct 31, '03 06:53:39AM

To put something superficially on-topic in: I did an archive and install (preserve users and network settings) and my AppleTalk shares showed up fine. In fact, toggling the AppleTalk setting in Directory Access does nothing here. Dunno.

So here's a somewhat related question.

Why, when I have a volume not "mounted" but browseable in the Network listing, do Applications there seem to have precedence over local apps? This came up today when I clicked a URL in Mail and it proceeded to launch Safari from the shared machine instead of the local application.

I disconnected from the server and Safari launched as it should, but as soon as I reconnected it went right back to launching the remote version.

Needless to say, that's idiotic. Anyone know of a way to govern or otherwise fix that?



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: pittnat on Oct 31, '03 11:06:26PM

If you just use command-k, and browse, you see windows/samba shares, but if you browse to Local, you will find all the appletalk servers.



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10.3: Enable AppleTalk server browsing
Authored by: bobreid on Dec 02, '03 08:04:26PM

You are a god. Thanks a million for this obvious-to-some-not-me life saver.



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