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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles Install
Problem: Apple NVidia GeForce4 MX 32mb AGP video card is not functioning in G4/400 (AGP) after Panther install. This card works fine in Mac OS 10.2.8, but does not work in two consecutive Panther installs - one "archive install" and one clean install.

Proof of problem:
  1. Start Panther installation.
  2. At restart (between disk one and two), the monitor shows an image briefly then switchs to black and never returns.
The origial ATI Rage card that came in the G4/400 (AGP) was having some issues with Keynote locking up, so I purchased this card specifically for Panther usage. It's specs are as follows: Apple NVidia GeForce4 MX 32MB AGP 2D/3D Video Card for PowerMac G4 AGP/Graphics/Gigabit Ethernet/Digital Audio/QuickSilver Models. (1) DVI, (1) ADC Port, (1) DVI to VGA Adapter. New, Supported by Quartz Extreme, 1yr OWC Warranty. (APL661NV4MX32DVKIT) (from macsales.com).

The card is sold as G4/400 (AGP) compatible (even though I believe it is a 4x card and the G4/400 AGP slot is 2x) and has run perfectly before installing Panther. Apple lists the card on the list of compatible Panther cards (last time I checked about two weeks ago).

First Solution:
Switched out the new Apple NVidia GeForce4 MX 32mb AGP video card for the stock ATI Rage video card that came in the G4/400 (AGP), and both installs I had previously begun continue to completion. Mac OS X 10.3 running.

Read the rest of the hint for the second solution...

Although it appears Quartz Extreme is no longer enabled using this method (it was enabled in Jaguar), this method works. The following files need to be copied from a pre-Panther system install, in the /System -> Library -> Extensions folder:
  • AppleNDRV
  • GeForce.kext
  • GeForce2MXGLDriver.bundle
  • GeForce3GLDriver.bundle
  • GeForceFXGLDriver.bundle
  • GeForceGA.plugin
You will need to be root to copy the files above. Using the Terminal is the easiest way:
 % cd /System/Library/Extensions

 # COMMENT: create backup of new Nvidia drivers
 % sudo tar -czvf AppleNDRV_panther.tgz AppleNDRV
 % sudo tar -czvf GeForce_panther.tgz GeForce*

# COMMENT: copy files from older system dir to here
# COMMENT: Assuming older system dir is located as in archive/install scenario
# COMMENT: e.g. older system is here /Previous Systems/Previous System 1/
 % cp -pr "/Previous Systems/Previous System 1/System/Library/Extensions/AppleNDRV" 
 % cp -pr "/Previous Systems/Previous System 1/System/Library/Extensions/GeForce*"
I just tested with Panther compatible Quartz Extreme Check application, and it is showing QE not activated using above procedure ... but the card does work.
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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: SPmaniac on Oct 30, '03 06:13:03PM

I have another problem with my flashed Hercules GeForce2MX and I thought this could be the solution, but it didn't work. I had also this "Black Screen Problem" after several boots, but the main bug was, that GfxErrors appear, if I drag a window or scroll through a document. Quartz Extreme Check said that QE is disabled. Quake3 quits with an OpenGL Error.
I delete the NVDIA Drivers, so I can use Panther, but without AquaExtreme :(
I tried another GeForce2MX GfxCard, same symptoms.
Wish anyone could find a solution for my problem...



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: dillirr on Nov 01, '03 04:10:25AM

hi,
i had the same prob with a flushed geforce2 mx.
the only solution at the moment is to pull out your RAM.
if you have more than 256 mb RAM geforce card won`t work.
its hard to work with just 256 but this is reality and dunno if apple will fix this in near futur



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: dillirr on Nov 01, '03 04:26:06AM

a threat that might be interesting for you too.

Topic: after installing panther screen goes black

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@@.599b3d3e/10

dillirr



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: SPmaniac on Nov 01, '03 07:57:42PM

Thank you...
I drag out 384MB and Panther runs flawless (except more swapping :( ).
Hope also, that Apple will fix it...



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: DropKick888 on Nov 11, '03 01:33:04PM

I have completed this process and it doesn't work. I still get the blakc screen. Sorry, hope they fix it in the update.



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: Herman on Nov 19, '03 06:44:39PM
I had a lot of boot-problems with the 10.3 installer-CD, and still have now that I'm running 10.3. I checked out the Apple DiscussionForum, and have only one thing to add actually... I succeeded to boot with my Mac and 10.3 AND 768MB of RAM! But only after the 3rd boot try. Here's my story from the start; Systeem: 10.2.6 Restart with 10.3 CD - Mac hangs at startup. (black screen) I try again, this time boot goes well, and I'm able to install the first CD. Then reboot, -> crash at black screen... I take out my (non-Apple) 256MB SIMM, and try again. The Boot works ok, and I'm able to proceed and install the 2nd CD. Wehn finished I reboot. Again Mac hangs with black screen. I reboot again, Mac hangs at grey screen. I swap memory 512 out, 256 in, and am able to boot into 10.3 from the Harddisk for the first time. Next day, I put back the 512 Memory, and startup the Mac. No problems it seems and everything works fine. Next day, I startup my Mac, and it hangs with a black screen. I try again, and it hangs with a grey screen. I'm persistent, so I try again, and yes! On the 3rd try my mac start's up like nothing is wrong. So although the problem seems to be Videocard related in other topics, I do seem to be able to boot usually... Any ideas why this happens? My Hardware: Hardware Overview: Machine Model: Power Mac G4 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 867 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 768 MB Bus Speed: 133 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.48f2 Serial Number: RM252005MUM Sales Order Number: F8787LL/A GeForce4 MX: Type: display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 32 MB Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID: 0x0172 Revision ID: 0x00a5 ROM Revision: 1121

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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: Herman on Nov 21, '03 12:14:10PM

hmm... So much for my original text-layout... lol



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: r10025 on Dec 10, '03 11:25:32PM

I just updated the OS X on my Sawtooth G4 500 AGP with the 10.3.2 developer preview. It includes new drivers dated December 4, and ta-da... I now a 23" Cinema HD Display working off a Geforce4 MX card. QuartzExtreme is working.

The ADC port on the Geforce4 MX is of course not active since it's not powered by the G4. You have to hook the HD Display using Apple's DVI-ADC adapter plugged into the cards DVI port.



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10.3: Workaround for GeForce4MX install troubles
Authored by: johnsawyercjs on Dec 11, '03 01:06:38AM

It should be pointed out that it's not just ANY G4 that doesn't provide power to run the ADC port on the GeForce2, GeForce4, etc video cards--it's only specifically the G4 AGP that has this problem. All other G4 models run both ports on these video cards under OS 10.3.1 just fine. But it's nice to see that, with OS 10.3.2, Apple finally may have stooped from their high perch, to give us mortals our video cards back. Now I'll be waiting to see if they fixed the video drivers for even earlier, PCI slot video cards like the ATI Xclaim (and other cards that use the Rage Pro chipset, different from the Rage Pro 128, which works fine under 10.3.1), 3dfx Voodoo, Formac Proforma, and maybe others.



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