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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: robmorton on Sep 08, '03 09:41:17AM

You are being counted as an IE user in the logs. It is probably best to let them know that their site does not work correctly. If you do not, they have very little incentive to learn how to make a correct website.



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: encro on Sep 08, '03 12:18:42PM

It's not a fix; It's a workaround to a problem. It doesnt solve the problem that the first poster mentions. Let the owner know that their website is flawed!



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: g_nix on Sep 08, '03 01:47:05PM

Second that, except I have yet to see a page which just renders poorly without being set to MSIE. The ones I have problems with have all been ones which use browser detection to redirect gecko or khtml browsers to a page telling the user to get Internet Explorer.

The site designer (or more likely the programmer of the e-commerce package the site designer has purchased) of such sites has already made a decision not to support non MSIE browsers. Forging the User Agent string to gain access simply demonstrates how lazy (or ignorant) such designers are.

A better way to encourage wider support for standards compliance (especially with e-commerce sites who are the main offenders) is to actively boycott sites which don't work properly, make noise about it, put your friends off using such sites and email site maintainers, telling them that their poor design is losing them business.

Still it's a great tip if you really must access such sites.



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: macgizmo on Sep 08, '03 02:36:12PM

I use Photospin all the time with Safari and never have any problems at all... however, as the others have pointed out, it's better to raise holy hell with the company over their non-compatability than to try to overcome it. In the long run, it's better if they just fix it.

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: zeb on Sep 08, '03 03:01:00PM

I would agree with most of what the above comments suggest, letting the site management know of bugs is important.

However, having the ability to spoof the user agent is a great feature. My fiancée has a hotmail account, and whenever she needs to download an attachment, she is forced to use IE (until this hint). Try convincing Micro$oft to become more Browser compliant! (or convincing them of anything for that matter)

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: raider on Sep 08, '03 04:36:31PM
Don't use Hotmail then. If a company is unresponsive and greedy - stop supporting them. This works for everything from local restaurants and hardware stores to WAL-MART and Microsoft. They only abuse their power because people let them!

Now, on a more related note: I *always* (see below) leave my user agent set to it's default. Whether I am using Mozilla or Safari on Windows or Mac - I *want* the web logs to show people NOT using IE.

But I actually have more problems with the Mac version of IE than I do Safari! What makes me the most angry is when a website tells you that it doesn't support your browser - but works anyway if you change your UserAgent! A while back WellsFargo used to do this. They would pop up a message claiming to only support IE. At the time I was an Opera user. If I switched my UserAgent to IE - the site worked exactly the same as within IE. So I sent them an email EVERY time I logged in, complaining. I figure if their server log counted me as an IE user - SOMETHING should count me as an Opera user. Fast forward a couple years and I have switched to a Mac. My webmail for my ISP claimed that the Mac was not supported - but would work fine, just like above... So I did the same, sent a complaint every time. Both companies now have their web systems working under every browser I use - and no annoying popups or complaints about my choice of a browser!

My point is that is is *numbers* that count. Oh yeah, send Apple a bug report as well - maybe Apple can put pressure on sites at the same time...

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: cynikal on Sep 09, '03 12:21:00AM

i believe the html for this comment is a mis-typed.. one of the anchor tags isn't closed, so as a result there are two <a> tags after another, at each side of the 'this hint' text, which makes the rest of the hint a hyperlink.



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: verdon on Sep 09, '03 10:24:27AM

I haven't been able to get the debug menu to appear. The hint for that seems pretty old. Does/should it work with the current version of Safari?

TIA



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yes it should
Authored by: cparnot on Sep 09, '03 07:04:44PM

check the syntax again. There was initially a mispelling in the hint, that was fixed by rob. Also, make sure you quit Safari before typing the command.

You could also just double-clik on the com.apple.safari.plist file in your ~/Library/Preferences folder, which will then open in 'Property List Editor' if you have the developer tools installed, or in a Text Editor otherwise.

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: digiglyphics on Sep 09, '03 11:21:49AM

I agree with every single comment posted here. And apple and photospin have both been notified of the issue and claim that they are working on it. In the meantime, I have clients I have to provide for. Photospin is one of my suppliers. We shouldn't have to do business this way but for now it works. Some of you may be in similar situations until safari catches fire with web designers. We should (and I have!!) complain but we still have to get our work done too.

I have absolutely hated IE for some time now but keep it around just for this very reason. Safari is leaps better and I'm will to work the lean times for now.

Glad this has helped some of you though. Can't say how much I love this forum enough. You people are the best!

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: bausch on Sep 09, '03 07:22:10PM

I've read this thread with interest. I updated with the Safari Enhancer at VersionTracker and now have the debug menu. By switching the user agent to Mac MSIE 5.22 I can now post my golf scores online at ghin.org using Safari! Geez, I'm so happy to have solved such a pressing problem. ;-)



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: raider on Sep 09, '03 07:31:21PM

Just try and remimber to switch it back. (do you need to or does it go back by default?). Oh yeah, and send them an email. ;) I think we've pounded the point home, eh?



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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: digiglyphics on Sep 11, '03 09:25:16AM

as mentioned before this works on a tab by tab, session by session basis. Once you quit, close or go to a new tab your agent is automatically chosen (default). Unless you've previously set the tab you've gone to to use another user agent.

Peace.

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Fix for Getty Images
Authored by: japancakes on Sep 09, '03 07:02:47PM
I happen to frequent Getty Images http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/home/homeCreative.asp which works fine under Safari except that the Prevew Pane fails to minimize, so I always resorted to IE to browse the site. That is, until I got so tired of IE that I dug through the site code to find how the Javascript worked, then wrote a Bookmarklet to take care of my problem. Create a new Bookmark (I named mine "Minimize Getty") and enter the following, in italics, as its address: javascript:window.location=window.location+'&minimizeView=1';. Then, after performing a search, run the Bookmarklet, and your Preview Pane will shrink to the bottom as it should.

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Possible Safari fix for misbehaving websites
Authored by: digiglyphics on Sep 10, '03 01:15:39AM

Just out of curiosity, why and for what purpose should/would you need the ability to change your user agent to that of another browser. Outside of the hint/work around I posted earlier, what is the intended use for such a thing?


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