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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3 Install
My beige G3 (upgraded with G4/533, voodoo graphics, 120 Gb disc) refused point blank to boot from the Jaguar install disc if there was any other system available. I had to boot from an OS 9 installer CD and initialise the drive first, and then partion using the Disk Utility on the OS X install disc. It would not then install until I set the first partition to 7.5gb (not 8gb as the documentation states). I have not experimented to find the precise cutoff point. I trust this may be of help.
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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: uhduh on May 08, '03 10:47:36AM

Have you tried XPostFacto? I'm running 10.1 on an old 7600 (not 10.2 cuase that will only run on a G3 or newer). It copies all the install files to your target hard drive and then reboots like your installing it from the CD... It's pretty slick



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Morus_T on May 09, '03 09:00:37AM

For what I remember, there is no Vodoo support on Mac OS X. I
think you won't be able to see anything even if the system
boots. Have you tried just plug in you monitor in your old video
card? I am sorry if I made an obvious question... anyway...
Mario



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Lawrence Harding on May 15, '03 07:55:52PM

Am pleased to report Voodoo 5500 appears to work fine with system 10.2 in my case.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: baokhangnn on May 08, '03 11:03:22AM

I have 10 Beige G3 @ 266 or 300 mhz. All upgraded to 512 or
768 mb of ram and 20GB Harddrives. All are running OS 10.2.6
just fine! No OS 9 cd, no classic.

The Readme file states that on beige G3, Original iMacs, and
certain Powerbook G3's that you must install the OS on the 1st
partition less than 8GB. I set mine at 7.92GB.

So just boot off of the OS X installer CD, Launch DiskUtility
from the memubar, partition your drive, reboot off of the CD,
and install as normal. Runs Great! (for an old machine!)



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: dalecoz on Jul 15, '03 07:04:00PM

When you say runs great (for an old machine) just how well is that and what all do you do? I just got an AIO on eBay and it hasn't gotten here yet but I am wondering if it will handle OS X very well or if I should just leave 9 on it for now. Also, how much RAM is needed to run it decently. I know 128 is the minimum but I would think that at least 256 would be what I should go for.

Thanks



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: msr on May 08, '03 11:13:39AM

The documentation is correct about 8GB. The trick, though, is that
there are small, invisible partitions at the beginning of the drive for
the disk driver, partition map, etc. These small partitions typically
take up 50-100MB, which means that your OS X partition must be
7.9GB (or even a little less) in order for it to fit within the first 8GB
of the drive.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: DaMacGuy on May 08, '03 11:54:30AM

There's no way around this problem, except with either a
3rd party IDE controller or a soldering iron.

The issue is with the IDE controller used in the Beige G3,
and even the WallStreet model PowerBooks.

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-DaMacGuy



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: mikedotd on May 09, '03 01:27:50AM

I'm afraid you're wrong. I'm currently running os-x 10.2.6 on
my wallstreet (233mhz), and the installer ran with no hacking
what so ever.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: dalecoz on Jul 23, '03 05:03:05PM

I just got a G3 AIO 266. I would like to put the hard drive that was in my iMac (I just put a 20 gig drive in it) in the AIO. It is a 10 GB Maxtor 5400RPM ATA 66 drive. I got a Promise Technology ATA 66 card for it. What will I need to do to boot from that card. Also if at all possible I would like to boot from the existing system on the drive so that I don't have to reload everything. Is this doable? I am supposed to get the AIO via UPS tomorrow.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: nrowe on Jan 17, '04 01:46:44PM

OK so I partitioned and installedon a 100gig HD but now my OS X partition is filling up and I have 80+ gig on the other partition. G3 266/400+ ram. I am handy with a soldering iron but would rather upgrade the SCSI controller. Any suggestions?



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: macbuzz on May 08, '03 12:53:03PM

I wanted to point out that this first 8GB partition is a
limitation of the IDE controller (as mentioned in another
comment). If you have Apple's SCSI controller (or
somebody else's I assume), the 8GB limitation does not
apply. I have a Beige G3 with a G4/500 upgrade with a IBM
50GB drive on Apple's SCSI controller unpartitioned
running Mac OS 10.2.6.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Poupou on May 08, '03 06:34:50PM

The problem comes from the voodoo graphics. OS X couldn't
boot with it.
Try with an ATI Radeon PCI card.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: kerouassady on May 09, '03 02:37:06AM

Dude, I personally watched my boss put a 10.2 boot disc into a 233MHz G3 with nothing more unusual than 192 MB of RAM and a 30GB hard drive (single partition), and do an easy install of Jaguar without a hitch. It rebooted and is running fine. Actually it is surprisingly responsive. He's not using it for anything more than learning his way around the OS and playing around with Networking, but, still, I was impressed after reading about the hoops people jumped through to do exactly what he did.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Safely on Jun 28, '03 10:04:52AM

I have a Beige G3 with a 233Mhz processor and only the original 4GB hard drive. Ram Available is over 500MB. What can I do to Run OS 10.2+ on this machine. It sounds like it is possible. Is it worth it? Currently I am running 9.2.2. I have some issues with running an Excel program on the 9.2.2 OS Version. The Version for OSX has no issues in running the same program. Any help is appreciated.

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Autocrosser - photographer - cyclist - John 3:16



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3 - Vodoo support...
Authored by: Morus_T on May 09, '03 09:02:55AM

For what I remember, there is no Vodoo support on Mac OS X. I
think you won't be able to see anything even if the system
boots. Have you tried just plug in you monitor in your old video
card? I am sorry if I made an obvious question... anyway...

Mario



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3 - Vodoo support...
Authored by: Morus_T on May 09, '03 09:30:51AM

I forgot to tell you something about some utilities made by the
processor upgrade manufacturer. Try to go the site of them and
take a look if there is any kind of utility to facilitate
instalation...

Mario



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: cowboy on May 09, '03 10:56:57PM

I have tried upgrading two Beige G3s to OS X. With both I had
a similar problem. About 2/3 of the way through the install the
screen would just go black.

On the one in my room at work (I'm a teacher), I finally got it
installed although I couldn't see what was happening during the
last part of the install. It worked perfectly for several weeks.
Then a day or two after I installed 10.26, during the afternoon
(it had worked fine that morning) the screen went black (maybe
a student did something - I have no idea). No video at all - yet
the machine is up and running fine. Hitting the reset and return
causes it to shutdown like it should.

I have tried various things. I am able to get video during most
of the boot, it just disappears right at the end. Zapping the
PRAM, open firmware stuff, deleting the login window stuff using
the terminal in single user mode, logging in as a different user,
etc...

I tried doing the archive and install this morning.. screen
eventually went black and it failed. I read a post in the Apple
forums about pulling all the memory chips except one 128 to get
through the install - I'll try that next.

Anyone else had this kind of install problem with a Beige G3?



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: dmackler on May 10, '03 07:11:23PM

Yes, exactly the same set of problems with installang 10.2 on my rev. A beige G3 (w/ Newer G4/466).

I got around it by putting the drive in my G4 tower, installing, and swapping the drives back.

I did several things at once, so I cannot say which cured the problems, however: ran DIMM First Aid, and replaced the bad memory chip (Jaguar uses memory much more heavily than 10.1), moved the hard drive to an ACARD IDE PCI card (mostly for performance), and updated to 10.2.1/10.2.2. Somewhere around there, he began to behave properly. Before that, I never knew when he would have the "silent" kernel panic.

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David



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: blgrace on May 12, '03 06:22:10PM

I also got the Black Screen of Death during the installation process on my Beige G3 - I gave up because I couldn't be bothered unplugging everything and pulling cards out.

Today, I did pull all my extras out, including ram. Jaguar installed perfectly well. Then I put all my cards and memory back and it still seems to be running perfectly well.

Time will tell I guess



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: blgrace on May 13, '03 10:43:48AM

Just an interesting thing I noted.... Jaguar is still up and running after 48hrs continuous - clicking on "About This Mac" shows me that I have 10.2.6 running with 384MB of RAM, which is correct - however, when I run the Apple System Profiler by clicking on the "More Info" button - all the details of the installed Ram modules and total memory isn't there - just nothing..... no big deal I guess - it's still running after all and love the fact that all my Macs are now using Rendezvous to talk to each other :-)



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: NovaScotian on May 27, '03 09:10:33AM

I had exactly this problem. Halfway through the first install disk the screen went black even though the second time around I moved the cursor every few minutes. The second time, I left the box alone for another 40 minutes and came back to discover that the first disk had installed anyway.

Same result with the second disk of the install, and in fact I have no way of knowing whether the second disk was installed because with a black screen I was never informed and it always asked for the second disk when rebooted. Eventually, I inserted the second disk, quit the installer, rebooted, and all worked.

I cannot boot into OS 9 however. It is on a separate SCSI drive, but the drive is not an approved Apple drive, so is not bootable, apparently.



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10.2 on Beige G3 - black screen
Authored by: davidv on Sep 15, '03 08:59:19AM

Exactly the same symptoms, had to take out all but one (1) 128MB RAM chip to get past the "Black Screen of Death". But that worked well. Also on my machine, revision A upgraded to a Sonnet 500 G3, I can not install more than one OS X system, one system installed on an ATA 66 Acard; OK, another system on another HD connected to another channel on the Acard will boot once, once only, it gets corrupted immediately. Saw something about this on an Apple forum once, but I forget where that was.

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davidv



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Niru on May 30, '03 12:11:13AM

I just got through fighting this one. I have been struggling with this for over a week, ever since 10.2.6 was installed on my system. (I've actually probably been suffering side effects from this for quite some time).

I had eliminated hardware as a potential cause, component by component. Also with Tech Tool Pro. I had also eliminated software as a potential cause, because it used to run with 10.2.5 just fine, for MONTHS, now all of a sudden, it crashed, wouldn't boot, wouldn't run 10.2 setup, but ran 10.1 just fine, no problems.

Then, I stopped being stubborn and bought a new battery.
Yes, my old battery was putting out 3.9 volts.
And the brand new battery was also putting out 3.9 volts.

but the OLD battery was putting out just under 10 mAmps. The NEW battery puts out just over 250 mAmps.

Like a new day dawning, ALL of my problems went away, including a lot of SBBOD's I had been having, general slowness, excessively long POST time, crazy boot behavior. (although my clock always kept good time, (network time synch, duh), and my other preferences stuck well also.

So I have a new #1 rule of thumb.
when in doubt - replace the battery!



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Niru on May 30, '03 02:58:33PM

Bah. Spoke too soon.

I was building up my system, installing the updates incrementally, drivers, etc, and noticed a lot of crashes (finder) and applications failing to launch, etc. I assumed my OS was compromised, because I had installed it with the flaky battery.

So I went back and reinstalled 10.1, and the 10.2 upgrade. 10.1 went fine.

10.2 hung.

My theory:
My understanding of the OS X boot process isn't very detailed, but I believe that when you tell OS X to boot off of a certain drive, it attempts to load a new nvramrc file from that device, which is a FORTH script for Open Firmware to run at boot time, to configure your devices appropriately for that OS's drivers.

I believe that the 10.2 ROM (nvram FORTH script) must have some kind of bug, which, when applied to a Beige, causes some kind of IO hang. Or possibly, it causes the hang if the hardware isn't fully up to snuff (while the hang would not otherwise occur under 10.1). Since I do not have access to low-level debugging equipment, nor do I have much knowledge of FORTH, or how the OS X boot up process works in detail, I can't really say this for sure.

But it's my hunch. I've eliminated pretty much every other possible cause.

In the latest case, the HANG occurs during the copy, (wrting files), and the screen is still up, and mouse cursor moves, but nothing on the screen responds to clicks.
In other cases, I've seen the screen just go black, and all IO cease.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: redleader on Jun 27, '03 10:58:15AM

I've had all the above and BOY! did it do my head in...but I've solved it.

Only install the first 3 basic elements via. a custom install.

No Printers
No Asian fonts
No Foreign languages

It just takes too long to do the lot and by then the system goes to sleep for some reason (I don't know why).

Then I'm gonna try adding these bits later...

For now OSX 10.2 installed fine as a 'basic' install.

:-)



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: rottenapple on Aug 06, '03 06:05:44PM

I'm at a loss with installing OS 10.2 on my beige g3 266. It hangs on the apple logo when I try to boot from the CD.

I installed 10.0 (and updated to 10.1) a long time ago. I had to add a jumper to the hard drive, and I had to remove a USB PCI card, but it worked and everything ran fine.

Now though I wiped everything out to do a clean no-OS9 install of 10.2 (jaguar), and it hangs every time on the apple logo when booting from the CD, sometimes with white lines appearing across the screen.

I tried resetting the PRAM, "reset-all" in open firmware (command-option-O-F), reformatting the 12 gig drive into 7 and 5 gig partitions, everything. There are no other peripherals or cards connected the machine, just the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and ethernet card.

It's something specific to 10.2. The OS 9 CD boots fine.

Any other suggestions? The only thing I can do is install OS 9 for the time being.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: rottenapple on Aug 06, '03 06:09:06PM

What the????
I just reset the PRAM a couple times more for the hell of it, and now the 10.2 CD is booting.

I guess the trick was to have <8 gig partition AND reset the PRAM a couple times after that.

Whatever. Anytime I have a problem in the future I'll post here to have it magically go away. Thanks MacOSXHints!



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: eoberle on Sep 14, '03 09:08:27PM

I'm reading this thread months after the fact, after I had the exact same problem: a hang on the 10.2.3 install disk when trying to put it on a beige g3. I finally got things to work by putting an ide card into the g3 and plugging its main drive into it. (I used one of the old Ultratek 66 RAID cards, but I imagine just about anything would do). So I guess that lends at least some credence to the OF script being corrupt.

Just a couple of questions, for those still interested:
a.) does it do this with the 10.2.0 disk? or Just the 10.2.3?
b.) I vaguely remember that the two ide interfaces are different, and perhaps I mixed the two up. Since right now I have the system working, I don't want to go through another install, but I just thought maybe one is a low speed ide that doesn't support modern hard drives.
c.) I'm using a revision A motherboard/rom....has anybody had this problem with a rev. b through d board?

Just some thoughts and a workaround....

Eric



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: XUSER on Sep 15, '03 08:36:16AM

I have a beige G3/233/384MB RAM. It is upgraded for USB and Firewire. I upgraded the OS from 10.1.5, to 10.2 without any problems.
Then, I decided to erase the disk, and re-install. The installer disk #1 would hang at the apple screen, and there it stayed. After removing the Firewire/USB card, the re-install proceeded without problems. Then I reinstalled the PCI card, and all is well.



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Installing OS 10.2 on Beige G3
Authored by: Johnathan on Nov 14, '03 11:19:29AM

I finally got 10.2 to install on a beige G3 266 DT, on a 7.1 gig partition. That was the only partition size it would install on. I must've repartitioned that drive twenty times until I was able to get a green arrow from the installer. The drive is a 60g Seagate Barracuda. Runs smooth as silk with an OEM G3 zif from a B+W 450, clocked at 455mhz, 70mhz bus, and 35mhz pci bus.



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