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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV Apps
I just discovered the most amazing QuickTime secret and I had to share because (1) it's very cool; and (2) I'm not writing a book that can use this trick right now (although I'll probably throw it in as a sidebar in iMovie 3 Solutions if I can find enough inches during galley reviews); and (3) I'm dying to see if anyone else thinks it is as cool as I do.

That having been said, pop over to developer.apple.com and get yourself a free online membership. Then visit the SimpleVideoOut Sample Code page and download the sample material. You don't need a compiler. Apple included a compiled version of SimpleVideoOut X.

Connect your favorite FireWire output device to your Mac. I'm using a Director's Cut, but any Sony, Canopus or DV camera with video pass through will do) and from that to your favorite TV. You can use a plain DV camera, but you have to record to tape and then output to TV. Two steps. Too hard for Extremely Lazy People (TM).

Launch SimpleVideoOut X. Set your output component to FireWire and Apple FireWire NTSC (USA folk) or Apple FireWire PAL (most Euro/Aussie folk). If the file open dialog doesn't automatically appear, choose File -> Open. Navigate to a movie that QuickTime can read. Any movie. An MP4 from a friend's wedding. A DIVX from the Prelinger Archives. The reference movie automatically created by iMovie 3 in your project folder. Whatever. Select it and open it. Find the little downward arrow on the bottom-right of the window, just to the left of the resize handle. Click it. Choose Video Output Echo Port Off.

Your video should now appear on your TV screen. Play your movie. Watch your movie. If you want, record your movie. Whatever. If you try it, let us know how it works for you...

[robg adds: This hint was written by Erica Sadun, author of the upcoming iMovie 3 Solutions book.]
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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: Diggory on Apr 16, '03 10:40:56AM

SimpleVideoOut is an excellent app - and it's sample code!

It is essential for anyone that has a formac studio - it turns your
mac into a PVR that records in DV.

It also makes those QT trailers look really good on TV.

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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: timdmgd on Apr 23, '03 11:14:33AM

I have a Formac Studio and am really excited about this app but
does anybody have any idea why I get such awful framerates
while trying to output a QT (.mov) file? If I convert from .mov
to .dv, the output is perfect and the framerates are what I want
but during the conversion, the file doubles in height.

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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: macweb on May 01, '03 10:23:36AM

also get low framerate throu sony cam. same is with movie out.
any ideas how to have clean smooth framerate?



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: gjm25 on Apr 16, '03 10:43:59AM

Does this mean I can convert NTSC DV tapes to PAL, feeding
them in with a NTSC DV cam, and then connecting our PAL DV
cam and recording them? That would be very useful indeed!



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: seann on Apr 16, '03 11:02:17AM

I've been doing this on windows for a few years now, works in media player, or premiere, or any program that lets DV out to the camera work for a playback device.



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: landis on Apr 16, '03 12:19:45PM

Would this also work for QTVR? Turning a panorama and
recording to tape?



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: gmackenz on Apr 16, '03 08:15:04PM

So what's the difference between the two versions?

SimpleVideoOut X
SimpleVideoOut X PB

Both seem to work just fine, and you dont have to pay $ to the guy trying to resell this app on versiontracker.com as "MovieOut".



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: Akos on Apr 17, '03 01:15:19AM

PB usually stands for ProjectBuilder in that context. Apple provides project files for two development environments, CodeWarrior and ProjectBuilder, so that developers can use their favorite.

Akos



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: red_five on Apr 16, '03 10:41:28PM

Oh yes! This is extremely cool. I have been wanting to do this very thing for quite a while. Not all video plays well, however. It's probably the fault of my Dazzle DV Bridge. I get good results from Sorenson encoded video, probably because of the low data rate.

gmackenz: maybe the "PB" stands for "Power Book"?



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: wififun on Apr 17, '03 12:52:58PM

I have always converted the files first, this is much faster. What about the other direction? My Sony 310 does passthru both ways just fine, but the mac always takes over and goes in to a mode where it wants to control the camera. Can this be prevented. IE, I can use the DV camera as like a webcam, but the second I try to do passthru (RCA in from VCR or TV thru to the DV, the mac takes over, and the camera stops doing it.) I have seen it done on a PC with the same camera.



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maybe i'm missing the point but..
Authored by: cynikal on Apr 18, '03 01:29:11AM

can't you just just connect your mac to video-out via s-video (if your mac has it, my powerbook does). what advantage does this method of tv-output provide?



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maybe i'm missing the point but..
Authored by: SYFer on Apr 18, '03 11:30:02AM

Well, for one thing, most Macs do not have that port. My PB also has it, but I work on my desktop machine most of the time.
Besides, I always found the set-up and use of the S-Video out to be a bit of a kludge.

If you're an editor like me with a video deck and studio monitor always connected, this is a great timesaver.



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This is the truly the shiznit!
Authored by: SYFer on Apr 18, '03 11:04:48AM

I edit video, but did not know of this awesome procesdure. I can't tell you how many times I've fired up FCP, imported a QT and dropped the movie into a timeline just to see how it looks on the tube. This is MUCH easier and more efficient.

To me, this is one of the all time great Mac OS X hints. Bravo!



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: dj_feare on Apr 18, '03 02:02:34PM

I have tried this with 2 different Macs, 2 different monitors,
3 different video clips, in both OS 9 and X, with a Formac
Studio (original model). Black screen or white/pink flashing
screen on TV in every case.

Anyone else having success with the original Studio?

>:-(



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No Love With Sony Hardware
Authored by: Makosuke on Apr 18, '03 06:49:50PM

I was ecstatic when I read this hint, since I've been wanting to do EXACTLY this (with trailers and the like) for a long time.

Unfortunately, I'm not having luck with a Sony converter box (or DV camera), either. If I playthrough a DV clip, it works perfectly. If I playthrough anything else (at least that I've tried so far: MP4, MPEG, Sorenson), I get a black screne with sound.

Maybe there's something I'm missing, or maybe Sony is just picky about the video format it receives.



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No Love With Sony Hardware
Authored by: ericasadun on Apr 20, '03 01:31:55AM

Did you make sure to turn Echo Port Off? If so, fiddle with the other
settings and report back with your results. -- E



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: loicdb on Apr 20, '03 10:28:05AM

I also have the Formac Studio: You just have to push the Reset
button on your formac to change the pink screen into the wanted
output movie.



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: Canton on Oct 23, '03 11:39:44AM

I dont know with you guys but I think the quality sucks really much. Can I change his or not, and what about the size, can I resize it?



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV - from DVD?
Authored by: tupholme on Apr 20, '03 05:30:48PM

Does anyone know if it would be possible to hack DVD Player to use this output component? Does DVD Player even use the QT architecture!?



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MPEG1 files (.mpg) and Audio?
Authored by: Anonymous on May 21, '04 01:44:09PM

I had to do this last week, and I could get an enormous dv file (8.9GB) to work fine. But when I tried to play out an MPEG1 compressed movie (created with ffmpeg from the dv-quality qt-movie file, which played fine on the computer under quicktime), it would output the video, but not the audio. I tried all the settings (Sound Output on/off, high quality, etc.), but couldn't get the audio to output

Has anybody else noticed this? Is there a simple something I'm not doing, or a workaround, or bit to add to the code needed?

Jim Witte
jswitte@bloomington.in.us



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MPEG1 files (.mpg) and Audio?
Authored by: agingeri on Mar 07, '06 02:38:52PM

I think this is more an issue of how QuickTime handles MPEG-1 files, rather than SimpleVideoOut itself. I had an old MPEG-1 that played back fine in QuickTime, but I was completely unable to export to a different format and preserve the audio (using QT or Final Cut Pro), so I eventually ended up grabbing it with Audio Hijack.



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MPEG1 files (.mpg) and Audio?
Authored by: sjk on Mar 07, '06 09:31:34PM

Run Show Movie Info (command-I) on the file in QuickTime and you might see something like:

Format: MPEG1 Muxed, 320 x 240

MPEG Streamclip may be able to export it with the audio stream but this iBook G3 I'm on now is too slow for testing. Otherwise you can use it to demux the audio/video streams to separate files, then import those into Final Cut Pro and other apps.



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multiple clips
Authored by: tex210 on Feb 02, '05 02:00:31PM

O.K. I am programming challenged, but does anyone know of a way to get SimpleVideoOut to work with any of those "playlist/shuffle" type of movie players? Really want my quicktime clips to play one after another without the individual settings and manually dragging them into SVO. Perhaps someone knows of an appropriate applescript or such? Please post a link or ideas!



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: DrMacMusic on Jul 17, '07 02:32:47PM
This is just what I have been looking for, and here is why. I am creating interlaced-stereo videos for viewing with LCD shutter glasses. This requires NTSC video for the display, since one field is dedicated to the left-eye view and the other field to the right-eye. I start with two separte quick-time movies (one from the point-of-view of each eye) and use the and great little program called JES_Deinterlacer (http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html) to "re-interlace" the movies into one quicktime movie where each frame is composed of one field from each eye's point-of-view.

The problem I ran into was displaying the resulting field-sequential stereo quicktime movie. Obviously, I can't display this on a LCD monitor. I need to use an NTSC TV as a display. I have a MacBook, and I have the mini-DVI to Video adapter. But hooking this up to use my TV as a display does not properly display the alternating fields. My first solution was to burn a DVD of the movie, and then play it via a DVD player connected to a TV. This works fine, but is extremely inefficient to look at edits or changes along the way. I also have a "Dazzle Hollywood DV-Bridge", which I can hook this to my MacBook via the firewire port, but up until now, the only way for me to get video to display this way was to import the quicktime movie into iMovie, which treats the DV-Bridge as if it is a DV-camcorder. This is also not very efficient (better than burning DVD's though).

I sumbled across the SimpleVideoOut X app in this forum. Just what I needed, and it works perfectly. Thank you!

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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: gjohung on Jan 01, '08 03:03:12AM

Attempting to get Exclusive access to hardware failed.

I am connecting to a desk top DVD-Recorder. Unit recognizes the firewire input by displaying info as Macintos...

Help



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Echo non-standard video through FireWire to TV
Authored by: Skeeve on Nov 18, '08 03:20:30PM

This doeesn't work for e on my PowerBook with OS X 10.4.11. I can hear the sound on my Philips har disc recorder, but there is no picture at all. Any hints for me how I can get it to work?



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