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A quickie announcement before this morning's hints: Safari Beta 2 is now available!

Officially, beta2 adds (lifted from the above page): "... tabbed browsing, autofill forms & passwords, privacy 'reset,' import of Netscape and Mozilla bookmarks, increased standards compatibility, improved AppleScript support, and localized language support for English, Japanese, French and German."

Go get it!

-rob.
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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: Argent on Apr 14, '03 09:18:06AM

Wow! I love this app!
Endlich gibts Safari auch in Deutsch! (finally we get a german
version of safari!)
Greetings
Argent



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It's getting there...
Authored by: friedmaj on Apr 14, '03 09:23:54AM

It's close to replacing Mozilla for me. I believe the only thing
it's missing is the ability to save a group of tabs and to set the
whole group as the Home page.



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You can do that!
Authored by: SOX on Apr 14, '03 09:39:39AM

Actually you can open multiple items in tabs on a single click.
every book mark folder supports this. for example put a book
marks folder on your bookmarks bar, pull it down and look at
the bottom for "open in tabs". voila, it will open the whole
bookmark set



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You can do that!
Authored by: smorr on Apr 14, '03 09:49:25AM

I think he is referring to the ability to take a window with a
bunch of tabs visible and say "Book mark this as a tab set or
folder" where safari will create a folder with all the current tabs
as bookmarks. -- very handy if you want to save a "State" of
your browser.

The way you specify is that you would have to create the folder
and then go to each tab and book mark it and organize it into
the folder. (cumbersome)



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You can do that!
Authored by: kconboy on Apr 14, '03 11:06:40AM

Actually, even better... Command-click the tab folder in the
bookmarks bar... opens them all in the same window as a
tab set. Sweet.

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You can do that!
Authored by: Gordon Werner on Apr 14, '03 11:25:25AM

how can you set the set as your homepage? so that all of the
sites load on launch?

Thanks



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It's getting there...
Authored by: type88 on Apr 14, '03 09:51:42AM

Throw an option in there and save yourself the scroll-down.



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Middle Mouse Button
Authored by: SOX on Apr 14, '03 11:36:51AM

click on any bookmarks folder with the middle mouse button
and all the entries open in their own tabs



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denseness
Authored by: sgi_oh_too on Apr 14, '03 12:40:43PM

I am fairly certain that he was referring to ADDING a group of tabs to his bookmarks ... not LAUNCHING a group of pages in tabs. Launching in tabs is dead simple and has been available since the first leaked beta with tabs. I do not know of any way to accomplish what the user is asking with safari.



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Multi-Tabbed Homepage. Sorta.
Authored by: skatz13 on Apr 14, '03 06:50:01PM

I wrote this script to allow the opening of multiple pages in
tabs as the startup homepage. It may not be pretty but it
works.


tell application "Safari"
activate
open location "http://www.XXXXXXX.com"
my new_tab()
set the URL of document 1 to "http://www.XXXXXX.com"
end tell
on new_tab()
tell application "Safari" to activate
tell application "System Events"
tell process "Safari"
«event prcsclic» «class menI» "New Tab" of
«class menE» "File" of «class mbar» 1
end tell
end tell
end new_tab


Replace the X's with whatever sites you want and keep
repeating the code

I am sure that there is a much better way to do it but I
have no clue what I am doing and it only took me 5 minutes to
write. Mine opens up 10 pages and works great.

The "new_tab" code was "borrowed" from Apples "Combine
Windows" script. Sorry if it offends anybody and please don't
sue me.



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Muti-tab home page version 2.0
Authored by: skatz13 on Apr 14, '03 07:06:24PM

Sorry, the script posted before was assuming Safari was already
open. When ran with Safari closed it would open up two
windows. One with the homepage url from the preferences the
other with all the site programmed.

Here is the updated one


tell application "Safari"
activate
set the URL of document 1 to "http://
www.XXXXXXX.com"
my new_tab()
set the URL of document 1 to "http://www.XXXXXX.com"
end tell
on new_tab()
tell application "Safari" to activate
tell application "System Events"
tell process "Safari"
«event prcsclic» «class menI» "New Tab" of
«class menE» "File" of «class mbar» 1
end tell
end tell
end new_tab



Also this requires that you have installed the UI Scripting Beta
which can be downloaded from
http://www.apple.com/applescript/GUI/

Plus you need to be sure that the "Enable access for
assistive devices" option is checked in the Universal Access
System Pref Pane.


Sorry again.



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unable to logout with safari beta 2
Authored by: mosch on Apr 14, '03 09:29:43AM

I can't seem to log out of macosxhints.com with safari beta 2.
it says I logged out, but then I continue to be logged in.

Is anybody else having this problem?



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Since beta 1...
Authored by: robg on Apr 14, '03 09:44:09AM

I've never been able to easily logout of this site with Safari. I
have to logout and then empty the cache then quit the program,
basically. I'm not sure what's going on, but there's something
about the Geeklog session key that isn't working right.

I'm going to bring it up with the GL dev team as soon as I get a
chance...

-rob.



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Since beta 1...
Authored by: Hes Nikke on Apr 14, '03 06:51:42PM

i've found that ikonboard has issues with marking forums as
read, and logging out. sometimes it works, but usualy it doesn't.

i think it's a problem with safari updating cookies

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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: beanboyrjs on Apr 14, '03 09:42:04AM

Better and better! The only problem I seem to notice right away
is that Cocoa Gestures doesn't work with this new release.
Anybody else experiencing this?



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: nlspls on Apr 14, '03 10:07:22AM

Yup, same here. Cocoa Gestures doesn't work. Seems like they've done something with the 3-button mouse support. Right-clicking doesn't bring the same contextual menu as it used to. This makes Safari useless IMHO. I'll stick with Camino.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: czarneki on Apr 14, '03 11:46:11AM

You need to get the latest version (1.1.1) of CocoaGestures
from http://www.bitart.com/CocoaGestures.html.
VersionTracker only has version 1.1, and 1.1.1 was fixed to
"work with the latest Safari Betas"



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: beanboyrjs on Apr 14, '03 05:24:41PM

Thanks. I didn't pay close enough attention to the last .1 on the
version number when I when to bitart.com. Works great now!



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Javascript bookmarklets don't work
Authored by: sfodden on Apr 14, '03 10:32:32AM

I can't seem to get my javascript bookmarklets to work in Beta
2. Anyone else having this problem? Any solutions?


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Javascript bookmarklets don't work
Authored by: davidcrickett on Apr 14, '03 10:48:28AM
http://david.blangstrup.dk/comments.php?id=P66_0_1_0_C It's the same for pMachine and MovableType

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Javascript bookmarklets don't work
Authored by: wjshack on Apr 14, '03 11:36:51AM

Mine seem to work fine.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: wtmcgee on Apr 14, '03 10:38:02AM

so far, this thing flies. i have only 2 minor complaints so far:

tab switching is kind of slow at times, even with only 2 or 3
tabs open.

i'm still waiting for them to get the 'check spelling as you
type' pref to stick between sessions.

other than that, this browser is truly amazing. loads pages
lightning quick,looks great, and the feature set is starting
to set it at par with the other big time browsers for mac.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: truhe on Apr 14, '03 11:29:18AM

that's no problem of safari or the tab handlnig, it's a problem of the gui. I also noticed that it's very very slowly. then I switched off the brushed metal look, so that safari uses the default aqua theme or - on my mac - the very fast platinum theme. after this the tab handling of safari is *extremely* fast. i click on the tab and before releasing the mouse the tab is loading and the page displeyd. i.e. *immediately*.

and btw: using the brushed metal theme on a web browser violates apple human interface guidelines.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: rjthorsen on Apr 14, '03 08:32:21PM

> then I switched off the brushed metal look

how did you switch it off?



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Mouse buttons
Authored by: midan23 on Apr 14, '03 11:29:56AM

I just noticed something nice :
Pressing the middle mouse button (the scroll wheel) on a link
does the same as a command-click on a link ...

(Perhaps this is the reason for Cocoa Gestures not working ...)

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Mac is for working
Windows is for Solitaire



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Cocoa gestures
Authored by: cstuder on Apr 14, '03 01:14:00PM

My cocoa gestures work perfectly. (I use the right mouse
button to activate them...)

Bye,
christian



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Open a bookmark in a tab?
Authored by: SOX on Apr 14, '03 11:41:14AM

Anyone figure out a shortcut on how to open a single bookmark
in its own tab? for example if I middle mouse click on a folder
all of the contents get their own tabs. But suppose I just want
one entry of the folder in a tab. I cant figure out how to do it
other than manually opening a new tab then opeing the
bookmark in that tab. must be a shortcut.



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Open a bookmark in a tab?
Authored by: PeteY48 on Apr 14, '03 12:54:12PM

If you command-click on an item on the bookmarks bar, it will
open in a new tab. If you have the bookmarks open on the left
and you have navigated to the file that you want in the
bookmarks window, command-double click to open the individual
file in it's own tab.



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Nope
Authored by: SOX on Apr 14, '03 01:05:38PM

If you command click on any SINGLE bookmark it works, but
NOT if you are trying to pick a single item from a bookmarks
folder, then command click does not work. (command clicking a
folder opens the whole folder, but you cannot just pick one of
the items to open in a new tab).



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Bug or Feature?
Authored by: vdubya on Apr 14, '03 11:58:11AM

Bug or Feature? I noticed that selecting "Open in Tabs" will
replace any open tabs you have in your active window with the
new tabs/pages. However, clicking the "back" button restores
your original pages/tabs.



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Bug or Feature?
Authored by: sgi_oh_too on Apr 14, '03 12:43:41PM

This is the intended operation ... dave hyatt posted a lengthy discussion of this up on his site a while back ... http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/



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Bug or Feature?
Authored by: Spartacus on Apr 14, '03 12:58:04PM

Open in tabs that replaces the open tabs is a feature, read Dave Hyatt on the subject.

The back button that restores the previous tabs must be a feature also. It would be quite a coincidence that it works if it were a bug.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: Power Factor on Apr 14, '03 12:49:42PM

If you have multiple macs, as I do (at least one for each of the
family), then you probably download updates to the desktop and
run them on each machine.
For the Safari update it must be done from software update, Not
installer.
One solution is to copy it to the desktop of each machine and
then run software update if you don't want to download multiple
times (Love this analogue modem).



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: j-beda on Apr 14, '03 08:37:13PM

I am not sure what you mean. The independant (non-SWupdate) version is just a .dmg file which opens containing just the safari.app bundle, which can be easily copied to any machine you want. Once installed, it could be coppied from the Application folder to any other machine's application folder, couldn't it?

The .dmg is one of those stupid ones tha when mounted copies it's contents to the same location as the .dmg file, then unmounts, then tosses itself into the trash. But it is still there in the trash if you wanted it for archival purposes.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: zedwards on Apr 14, '03 10:17:09PM

Well, I installed by dl-ing it to my home folder and then
dropping it into the App folders. Then later, the SW UPdate ran
saying that I have a new version of Safari available.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: sgi_oh_too on Apr 14, '03 12:58:23PM

coolest new feature! RESET SAFARI !!! YAY! I have been wanting
this for years! THANKS APPLE! YAY!



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: monickels on Apr 14, '03 01:40:36PM
I'm a long-time Chimera/Camino user who always preferred its speed and tabs over Safari, despite the fact that the latest builds are not localized in French. I love that Safari is localized.

This Safari beta is nearly there for me, but I have a couple of issues which may take me back to Camino:

1. It feels slower. Could be a cache issue at this point, so I'll keep playing with it for a few days until the cache is loaded with all the graphics and stuff from sites I hit regularly, then we'll see.

2. The bookmarks take bloody forever to display; well, actually, like three seconds after clicking on the bookmarks menu, but still. I imported them from Camino where they appear almost instantly. They're around 285K, so maybe I should get in there and cull them.

3. This is the biggy. I run a weblog, World New York, on pMachine Pro. I use a content manager called pMachine. When using special characters in posts, such as an em-dash, they are automatically rendered in XHTML by the weblog software; characters such as quote marks and apostrophes which are entered as inch or foot marks (" or ') are converted to curved quotes where necessary, according to a rule set. But when using Safari to edit posts which have these extended characters, whether I enter them manually or they are auto-converted by Safari, they are changed to question marks. This behavior does not occur in the latest versions of Internet Explorer, Camino or Mozilla.

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http://www.worldnewyork.org

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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: monickels on Apr 14, '03 01:41:59PM

That should say, "auto-converted by pMachine."

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World New York
http://www.worldnewyork.org



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No Secure Sites
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 01:48:46PM

I am unable to connect to any secure (https) web sites with this
version. Anyone have any ideas? I am behind a company proxy
server if that matters.

Here's what has failed in Safari but work in IE:
https://secure.techtracker.com
https://signin.info.apple.com
https://customer.apple.com/repairstatus
and more...



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No Secure Sites
Authored by: charliemorss on Apr 14, '03 02:57:43PM

Yes, this is still a bug! It is currently the only thing that
prevents me from moving exclusively to Safari. Please submit a
bug on this so we have some chance of getting this fixed.



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Bug Submitted!
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 05:30:10PM

That's a Safari killer for me too.



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Works for me
Authored by: jason mark on Apr 14, '03 06:20:56PM

I don't have a proxy server, and it works fine for me. Maybe
it's a proxy issue



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Works for me
Authored by: liedra on Apr 14, '03 07:17:13PM

...and for me! Might be worth checking those proxies (I don't
have any).

- liedra



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Never Mind!
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 08:28:26PM

(wish there was a "delete" for my stupid postings!)

After throwing out all preferences and Safari Enhancer my
secure sites are working again!



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The Distinct Lack Of Tabs
Authored by: dave1212 on Apr 14, '03 02:36:31PM

running Safari 1.0 beta 2 version 73 (Shows as version 0.9 in the Finder)

is this the same that everyone else got? I updated Safari through Software Update, and although it now seems to be the new version of Safari, there are no references to tabs anywhere!

Nothing about tabs in the File menu, contextual menu, etc.. just wondering if I should try the other installer.. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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The Distinct Lack Of Tabs
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 02:40:47PM

Safari -> Preferences -> Tabs -> Enable



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The Distinct Lack Of Tabs
Authored by: dave1212 on Apr 14, '03 02:57:59PM

seems to be working now after a few times running it and quitting..

my edits to the interface (in interface builder) are gone, so i'm guessing that for anyone else having this issue (tabs not being an option anywhere), opening and closing the preferences window once, then quitting and starting safari again seems to clear it up.

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[ IE Toolbar Icons, Desktop Picures, Free MP3s ]
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Safari fixers still work!!!
Authored by: durin on Apr 14, '03 03:50:35PM

Both Safari Enhancer and PithHelmet(latest versions of both) work great.
For SE, use the one for build 71.

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IE DOA?
Authored by: jasonxz on Apr 14, '03 04:01:03PM

Now that Safari has autofill (as well as a host of other features),
should MS even bother developing IE for X?

I doubt I'd download a future version unless it had
some kind of amazing, new "innovation".



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Services Menu Gone
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 04:38:10PM

There is no Services menu under the Safari menu. Is this an indication of things to come?



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Never Mind!
Authored by: RichB on Apr 14, '03 04:47:58PM

As Gilda Radner would say, "Never Mind!"



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Services Menu Gone
Authored by: rgray on Apr 14, '03 05:08:59PM

Services menu OK here.... (TiBk 400/OS 10.2.5)



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Services Menu Gone
Authored by: mimi06614 on Feb 24, '11 01:24:26PM

My service menu is GONE. It now reads
one word--building



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AppleScript better and worse
Authored by: Krioni on Apr 14, '03 08:00:31PM

They added a do Javascript command, which is very nice!
However, they did NOT allow access to tabs. In other words, any
script that gets the document of window 1, for example, has no
idea that window 1 actually contains many tabs. Thanks a lot.

I'm going to have to leave tabs turned off, since I run a
background script that saves a list of the URLs of my currently
open windows to a text file every minute or so. That way, when I
crash, I can open all my unread pages back up and not miss
anything. If I used tabs, I'd be screwed, since only the current
tab of each window would be saved.

I was afraid they'd add the feature of tabs, but not bother adding
it completely.



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GUI scripting can do it but it's to obnoxious
Authored by: robJ on Apr 15, '03 06:19:18PM
I know that GUI scripting would be too intrusive for this particular task but it does make it possible to gather info from a multi-tab window. :-)

set targetURLs to {}
tell application "Safari" to activate

tell application "System Events" to tell application process "Safari"
set tabNames to name of radio buttons of window 1
end tell

tell application "Safari"
repeat with thisTab in tabNames
tell application "System Events"
tell application process "Safari"
tell radio button named thisTab of window 1 to click
end tell
end tell
copy {aURL:URL of document of window named thisTab, aTab:contents of thisTab} to end of targetURLs
end repeat
end tell
targetURLs


The script will gather the page name and URL for window 1 in Safari.

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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: ppatoray on Apr 14, '03 10:24:24PM

The new features are great, but is this thing slower for anyone
else? As I am typing this, Top shows Safari using between 45-
64% of CPU, this is on a powerbook G3 with 1gig of ram.



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: clh on Apr 14, '03 11:28:34PM

Just a tiny tad slower. A bit slower to launch, and bookmark bar
menus take longer to pop down, at least on the first access.
Just subjective judgments. As I type here, top shows Safari
maxxing at 4% on my 867 G4 laptop.

I hope Apple knows that they've reached the Sweet Spot, and
stops adding features. I love it, now that we have Autofill
(never knew I'd like tabs till I got them!)



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weird Safari graphics rendering
Authored by: rkchang on Apr 15, '03 12:40:10AM

While I love that Safari has finally added tabbed browsing as one of its features (one of the main reasons that kept me from switching entirely), I've noticed a bizarre bug with the way it renders graphics. Perhaps I'm just being picky because it only affects a few pages, including my own personal web site www.wrong-keyhole.org (had to get in a little plug) :-). But for some reason, certain banner graphics do not display within Safari. Even if I type in the direct address to the graphic (ex. http://www.wrong-keyhole.org/banner.gif), the graphic still doesn't display. Since I've been running this site for quite a while, and I've viewed it from all sorts of browsers (IE and several Mozillla-based browsers) from different sorts of operating systems (Windows, Mac, Linux) with no problems, I seriously doubt it's a problem of code. As I recall, there was no problem displaying it properly with the previous version of Safari either, so this has really baffled me.

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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: UltraNurd on Apr 15, '03 08:07:09AM

I have only Cocoa Gestures 1.1 installed (at least according to
the about box), and it's working fine for me. I've got all of my
standard tab, window, and history navigation things set up
already, and they all work. I'm using a Microsoft IntelliMouse
Explorer, with one button bound to control-option-command-
click, and that's my Cocoa Gestures key combination.



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New Contextual Menu
Authored by: fixable on Apr 15, '03 09:59:42AM

I don't think I was able to do this with the previous Safari, but if
you highlight a text (non hyperlinked) url and right click there is
a 'goto address' option! Also you can now highlight any word
and preform a google search by right clicking.

I think this is rather awesome!



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Safari Beta 2 released
Authored by: Anonymous on Apr 16, '03 06:06:44PM

"...improved Applescript support..."

I still want to be able to script Safari to download files, using its
download manager and settings. I don't want to have to baby
URL Access Scripting (not to mention that "with progress" has
never worked in X) when Safari handles downloads 100x times
better! There doesn't seem to be a way of getting a
URL to a file like Netscape used to do (GetURL reference to
file)... can anyone think of a way to do this?



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