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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited) Apps
I've been waiting to use the excellent and free (license free / open source) Ogg Vorbis sound encoding scheme more on OS X, but support in iTunes has been lacking, until now.

Check out www.illadvised.com/~jordy. There you will find a QuickTime plugin that will allow iTunes and QuickTime (v6.0.2) to play Ogg Vorbis files (just drop the plugin into the /Library/Quicktime folder), as well as a command line Ogg Vorbis encoder (converts imported CD audio files to Ogg) and a link to the easier to use GUI Ogg encoder "Ogg Drop." This Plugin is working quite well for me under OS X (10.2.1) with iTunes 3 and Quicktime 6.0.2.

The following song information tags in the Ogg files are correctly recognized in iTunes: Song Title, Artist, Album and Genre. iTunes will organize Ogg files tagged with this information side by side with the existing MP3s in your library (assuming you've turned on that option in iTunes). The only downside is that the visualizations do not respond to Ogg files using this plugin version. I'm also not sure yet if you can burn CDs using Ogg encoding using this plugin or not.

Also, to more easily play Ogg files in OS X, take an Ogg sound file and click on it, then hit Command-I to pull up the information window. Expand the "Open With" section and select iTunes as the application to open your Ogg files. Then select the "Change All" button to make sure that iTunes is your default Ogg player and then you're done.

[Editor's note: Another plugin was covered in a previous hint, but (based on a visit to the website) nothing has happened with it since July, and it mentions some incompatabilities between Ogg and QuickTime. I have not tested this newest plug-in.]
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Ogg is nice, but...
Authored by: pberry on Nov 03, '02 12:16:54PM

Without hardware support (read: iPod) I can't really justify making the switch to ogg. I've heard rumors of ogg support for the iPod coming from Cupertino, but I have yet to actually see anything.



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Ogg support on Ipod
Authored by: odonnell on Apr 13, '06 10:52:04AM

Rockbox (www.rockbox.org) supports ogg on most varieties of Ipod.



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New Ogg player
Authored by: Anonymous on Nov 03, '02 12:57:01PM

An OGG plugin is now useless : a new mp3 AND OGG player was released yesterday.
It's called Whamb, get it at http://www.whamb.com



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If you want to plug your product...
Authored by: rselph on Nov 03, '02 07:40:23PM

If you want to plug a commercial product, that's fine. But don't do it by insulting other software. This plugin is far from useless. Not everything that is done with Quicktime happens in iTunes.



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New Ogg player
Authored by: qoitche on Nov 19, '04 04:38:30PM

Whamb does not support AAC files. =/



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Ogg sucks
Authored by: eno on Nov 04, '02 12:54:40AM

No disrespect intended to the author of this hint, but I think ogg sucks and I don't know why so many people are bending over backwards to adopt it. Mp3 is the standard and it works perfectly well. Why all this fervour for ogg?



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Ogg sucks
Authored by: jtrascap on Nov 04, '02 02:04:05AM

Part of it **is** that OGG is better in some ranges of the audio spectrum - this is what studies/reports have found over the years. (DISCLAIMER: I am a MacOSX and Solaris user, and have NO OGG files, plus I'm over 40 and my hearing is going. I don't care who's audio is best 'cause I can't hear it anyway. No flamewars please!)

The other part is that it's the favorite audio format of Linux folk, so if only for PR, it's excellent that OS X is supporting OGG. For some, not being able to move gigabytes of music to a new platform is just another excuse to not give in and go to OSX. Remove that reason, and the move looks a bit better.



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Ogg sucks
Authored by: mrchuck on Nov 04, '02 02:09:18AM
Lesse, arguably better sound format without patents


Free is good. Gets adopted more widely.

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Ogg sucks
Authored by: gralem on Nov 05, '02 08:17:07AM
Yes, Ogg (free) has been adopted SOOO much faster than mp3 (patented). Here's a fun one. Go to www.amazon.com or www.ebay.com and search EVERYTHING for ogg. You will see not a single result relating to Ogg Vorbis--NOTHING.

Not a flame war--like the person above, I can't hear the difference and I don't care. But please don't use flawed expressions like Free is good. Gets adopted more widely.

Still, I think it would be GREAT to get ogg support into iTunes, especially encoding.

---gralem

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Ogg sucks
Authored by: c15zyx on Nov 05, '02 10:22:45AM
The notion of it being free is only good for developers. People are supposed to pay licenses (or the company that makes the software is supposed to) if they use *any* mp3 decoder or encoder now (see thompson licensing) but nobody does. sigh. As for the quality, if you've seen the forums at hydrogen audio (where the developers of LAME, vorbis, aac, mpc, flac, etc. encoders hang out) then you would know that ogg vorbis is the superior to mp3 at all bitrates. If you cannot hear the difference, then fine stick with mp3 for convenience, but don't dismiss the technical superiority of vorbis based on this. Ogg files that vbr around 170-180 can easily be equivalent to mp3s of 224 kbps. As for lowbitrate streaming... the quality of ogg vorbis even beats real media. If people are seriously going to criticize vorbis, then at least do some hard testing and be a little more knowledgeable.

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Ogg sucks
Authored by: phidauex on Nov 05, '02 01:20:03PM

I've done a lot of comparison listening, and found ogg to be superiour in audio quality at most bitrates. I think ogg Q 4.99 is a great balance between file size and audio quality. 4.99 retains cross-channel coupling, so the file size is smaller than a 192kbs mp3, yet is high enough q to be noticabley better sounding.

Also, the benefits of open source formats like this aren't to be tossed aside lightly. Sure it doesn't seem to be bothering you at the moment that you aren't paying the mp3 license fees, but with DRM getting built into more and more devices, accountability grows, and big business can pull the noose tight on you. Remember how internet radio was basically shut down recently? Thats due in part to mp3 licencing issues. You can stream ogg all you want without fear of anyone trying to stop you on format licencing issues, because its free. Free doesn't mean 'no cost', it means that you don't have to put all your eggs into some companies basket in order to use it.

Ogg may not be the best choice for many mac users until the ipod supports it, i admit, but I hope that the ipod will eventually support it, and when it does, I fully expect to switch my collection to ogg. (small technical note: transcoding from mp3 to ogg (or between any different encoding methods) is not recommended. It harms the sound quality quite a bit. The best option is to go back to the source material and re-rip and encode. Until you can do that, stick with a 'hybrid' collection of mp3s and ogg, and just phase out the mp3 over time as you have the time to access the source material.)

peace,
sam



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Ogg sucks
Authored by: jfulton on Dec 11, '02 09:36:00AM

I see that you would encode your music in the popular, but patent encumbered,
mp3 format. May I suggest the patent-free Ogg Vorbis format, encoders and
players for which are available for all major operating systems:

http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/index.html

Software patents are a great danger to everyone's ability to create,
use, and share software. For further reading on this topic, I suggest
this transcript:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/stallman-patents.html

it's also available as an audio recording:

http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/rms-speech-cambridgeuni-england2002.ogg

If you are concerned that by encoding music in Ogg Vorbis format, you
won't be able to share with others, note that by tacitly encouraging
the use of software patents, you're promoting a future where nobody
will be able to share anything on a computer:

http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os2.htm



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Ogg sucks
Authored by: doncristobal on Aug 10, '03 12:58:10AM

Although I haven't noticed a difference and have always been content with mp3, I use ogg because one of my favorite bands as a download site with everything in ogg. So, whether it sucks or not is irrevevant. I want that music, so I use ogg to get it. Better than not being able to download the music I want.



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Ogg Vorbis, QuickTime and Apple
Authored by: Sven G on Nov 04, '02 04:44:53AM

BTW, the new, "corrected" Ogg Vorbis plug-in seems to work quite well in iTunes.

Now, it should really be the time, IMHO, for the Ogg Vorbis QuickTime component - see the link of this hint, and also http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net - to be "polished" and submitted to Apple: if accepted, it would then be available as a download within the QuickTime updater, and, hopefully, Apple would also contribute more actively in supporting this new open (*and* free!) standard in QT, iTunes and iPod...



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Ogg Vorbis, QuickTime and Apple
Authored by: ziggy on Nov 07, '02 01:18:39AM

This would be nice. I have been waiting for this also, I would like to know can we still burn CD's with this technology?

That would be great. A switch made from Linux I had tons of .ogg files laying around and always was harrasing those I knew in the audio industry about the up and coming new format!

Good thing I hung in, it paid off.



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Hurray! Finally
Authored by: evarlast on Nov 04, '02 06:23:47PM

i've been waiting for this ever since I bought my Powerbook in April. iTunes is awesome and I love using it, but I've had a few hundred of my own OGG files that I haven't listened to since April because I use iTunes.

Now if only I could tell iTunes to encode as OGG instead of mp3 I would be an even happier Mac switch person.



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Not Working For Me?
Authored by: gralem on Nov 05, '02 08:06:19AM

I've installed the QT plugin as /Library/Quicktime/OggVorbis.qtx.

I've gone to my directory containing 10 .ogg files, selected one, "Get Info", "Open With:", set all to be opened by iTunes.

An iTunes icon does *NOT* appear for my .ogg files. They do not open w/ iTunes (3.0.1), they do not drag into iTunes.

What am I doing wrong? (also cannot open directly into QT 6.0.2.)

---gralem



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Not Working For Me?
Authored by: totallyGreg on Nov 07, '02 05:19:48PM

I had some problems with set of oggs that had somehow thought they were made by Unsanity's Echo. I finally got them to be "fixed" by setting the type and creator and removing the custom icon bit. This can be done from the command line using SetFile (running SetFile by itself gives you it's options).

SetFile -a c -t OggS -c hook *.ogg

-a c changes the custom bit from C to c meaning no custom icon
-t changes the type to OggS
-c changes the creator to hook (iTunes)

I am now able to drop the oggs into iTunes and play them as well as from the finder.

A side note.. iTunes seems to pick up some of the ogg comments Artists Title etc
sadly iTunes doesn't seem to be able to edit the comments. But displaying them is big..! :) I wish I knew more about this plugin and how it was created.

It doesn't appear that I can burn cd's from the oggs though, which was something I could do with the older qtcomponents plugin. It burned it so well that cddb would recognize it.. :)

Hope this helps.



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Not ready for everyday consumption, close
Authored by: ziggy on Nov 07, '02 01:42:58AM

I was all excited downloaded everything tonight, logged out logged in which seemed to help with the install?

These are the issues that I have:

G4 800 w/ 1GB very slow rip time with Ogg Drop compared to ripping with the Itunes .mp3 slight problem, although a smaller file size for the sound of course.

Also annoying ejecting a disk while playing the .ogg file in Itunes causing pause in play that last about 2-5 seconds on my machine, only the .ogg files.

I love .ogg format and would love to see apple adopt this into the Itunes of the future to be able to encode/decode just like before, perhaps make it a developer package or something like all the other cool opensource tools that we get!

We are getting closer. I am still excited.




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Not ready for everyday consumption, close
Authored by: garbanzito on Nov 09, '02 01:14:49PM

i'll have to rip some oggs of my own to be sure, but using the one track i happened to find it seems like this is a proof of concept, but not very polished -- on a dual 1GHz machine, lightly loaded, i get dropouts every few seconds playing the track in iTunes.. this is extremely rare with high bitrate mp3s



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Ready for everyday consumption!
Authored by: aukestrel on Feb 22, '03 10:26:16AM

This is my experience with Ogg Vorbis and iTunes:

I found a downloadable Quicktime plug in here: http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/

The plug in I used was 1.0d6, found here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=41359

I'm going to go into some detail here because there was a lot of conflicting information (not to say just wrong) out there. This is what worked for me, running Jaguar 1.2.4 on a 1GhZ Titanium Powerbook (SuperDrive) with Quicktime 6.0.1 and iTunes 3.0.1(66).

I unzipped the downloaded file. I renamed it from OggVorbis.component, which is how it unzipped, to OggVorbis.qtx. I installed it in
/Library/Quicktime. This is the Library that is a subdirectory of the main computer, NOT the Library in my User directory.

I launched QT and imported an .ogg file, which ran fine. I closed QT and opened iTunes, and then right-clicked on the .ogg file on my desktop and told it to Open With iTunes. It played just fine, with one caveat: I was also using iChat and the .ogg file playing was definitely more aware of the other processes running and skipped from time to time, mostly when I was receiving an IM. However, when I closed out of everything to check the actual quality of the sound file, it was fine and ran with no skips. I attribute this to the fact that iTunes doesn't have native support but is (for some reason unknown to me) using the QT plug in to convert and play the .ogg files.

So I went on to the next step. I used Ogg Drop X to rip a CD. I used quality 5. It took longer than iTunes takes to rip .mp3s but it did not take the half hour that I have read some people complaining about in forums. It took my machine 14 minutes. I then associated all the .ogg files with iTunes, double clicked on them and opened them in iTunes and did some sound checks and comparisons. As I said, I did notice a difference in sound quality. The .ogg files sounded fuller and louder than the 128bit .mp3s and the file sizes were roughly the same (a 4.1 mb file at 128bit quality was 4.6 mb at quality 5).

The last step was to try to burn an audio CD with iTunes. It took a lot longer to burn than the .mp3 conversion takes with iTunes - that usually takes about 9:20 minutes and this took about 16 minutes. The CD burned successfully, however, and plays back in iTunes without a problem. The sound quality is excellent, much better than an identical CD burned with the 128 bit songs. My husband is currently testing the .ogg - .aiff CD in a standalone player... okay he has just reported back. It plays fine in our standalone Sony CD player downstairs. I can supply the model number but it's at least three years old. He says it sounded fine.

Next step: on the trail of encoding .ogg files from iTunes. *g*



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Rip first, then convert in batch
Authored by: krishna on Oct 27, '04 10:42:29PM
G4 800 w/ 1GB very slow rip time with Ogg Drop compared to ripping with the Itunes .mp3 slight problem, although a smaller file size for the sound of course.

When I ripped my collection, it made a lot more sense to first rip everything to wav via itunes (or everything I could until I was getting ready to go to sleep). I'd then highlight all the .wav files, and convert them all to mp3 at once -- which usually took a few hours, so I let it run overnight.

This way I could switch all the cds in and out at top speed at the beginning (on a fast cd drive, this is about 3 minutes/cd), rather than being limited by the slower of the cpu and the cd drive during any individual rip-and-convert operation.

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encoding level
Authored by: poultryfarm on Nov 07, '02 04:18:24AM

i am interested in getting a sense of what quality level you guts use to encode your ogg files.
i don't need the best quality and would like to save space, but i would also like to not notice any loss in sound quality. in the past in itunes i would encode mp3 at the high quality setting, now i am thinking of switching to .ogg and it seems like for ogg the qualitu 10 is overkill, no? just listening for pleasure, nothing professional obviously.

any recommendations.

thanks.



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encoding level
Authored by: c15zyx on Nov 07, '02 10:04:51AM

-q 10 is totally overkill, averaging 500 kbps. personally i use -q 6, the first mode which uses lossless channel-coupling. Average about 180 kbps (very roughly) for most my tracks. This is transparent to me, but if you want to save some space, try -q 5 (very roughly 160) or -q 4 (128). Despite these bitrates, ogg files will sound excellent, with little to no artifacting (as found in MP3s) at 128 kbps.



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encoding level
Authored by: poultryfarm on Nov 08, '02 01:27:29AM

great, thank you for the information



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Don't bother - right now
Authored by: nick2588 on Mar 24, '03 08:54:59PM
I know that OGG is a much better format and that it is an open/free format, but why bother?

No hardware support. iPods don't support OGG and they probably won't. Apple's format is AAC (and yes that IS going to be implimented into iPods, in the near future too - like spring/summer 2003), but let's just think for a minute. WHY would apple want to spend time and money developing OGG support for the iPod??? They wouldn't.

No software support. No common media players support OGG without third-party plugins, which totally defeats the purpose of convinence. Other software does not or cannot even have third-party plugins. I can take an MP3 to almost any computer and it will be able to play. Can I do that with OGG? NOPE!


So, basically what I'm saying is that I LIKE the OGG format, and I aggree that it is very superior to MP3, but don't bother with it right now! WHEN and only when OGG gets popular - by that I mean it is adopted by all major software and hardware - then you can worry about it and then you can convert your song libraries. But you are all jumping the gun.

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Don't bother - right now
Authored by: carsten on Mar 25, '03 08:06:40PM

ogg files seem to be very popular on Linux so this is a nice hint.

I agree with nick2588: don't bother converting your music to ogg format.

In my opinion, the mp4 Dolby AAC format provided by Quicktime 6 provides smaller files at the same quality or better of either mp3 or ogg.

Although currently only Quicktime player can play mp4 files, rumours have it that the iPod and upcoming iTunes update will be able to play them.



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Re: Don't bother - right now
Authored by: gancho on Apr 11, '03 07:56:52AM

How is Ogg Vorbis going to get popular if no one uses it?



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Re: Don't bother - right now
Authored by: spiritquest on Aug 14, '03 12:58:12PM
Its beginning to take off - a hardware mp3 player that has an upgradable firmware. An ogg firmware release is available, and will soon be commercially viable to include as a multi format player .. other manufacturers should do the same too. neurosaudio

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Take off your blinders.
Authored by: edwardacarter on Jul 06, '04 04:37:31PM

Popular software players on other operating systems have supported Ogg Vorbis for a while.

Any version of Winamp released in the last several years has supported Ogg Vorbis by default. Windows Media Player still doesn't support it, perhaps, but that program sucks next to Winamp and no one uses it.

Recent versions of Red Hat Linux (whether it be Fedora or Enterprise Linux) have supported ONLY Ogg Vorbis by default, not mp3, due to patent issues with mp3.

I had two DVD-R's filled with Ogg Vorbis files I ripped myself that I'd use on Linux and Windows, and I got a new 12" PowerBook G4 in the mail on Wednesday (first Mac I've used since System 7.0.1 days), so this plugin has been quite useful for me.

The hardware support for Ogg has been lacking thus far because Ogg decoding is particularly floating-point heavy, I think. But maybe Apple will fix that problem with the next incarnation of iPod.



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Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited) - not playing via afp://
Authored by: spiritquest on Aug 14, '03 12:52:22PM

I'm not sure if you've noticed this but iTunes4 won't play back ogg's which are on a mounted afp:// server .

I have all of my ogg/mp3's located on a Firewire Drive, sometimes its hooked up directly to my powerbook, or its hooked up to an iMac running 9.1 (for test purposes) - Playing Music over a Ethernet is fine, no skipping or lag. But for some reason, It won't play back ogg at all, whilst I connect to the Firewire Drive over a network. The mp3's play back ok. It's only when i've connected the Firewire Drive directly into the PowerBook's firewire port that I can playback my ogg's.

Anyone noticed this ?


If you try playing the ogg over the network, it shows the track time as 0:00 and then moves to the next track, repeating this behaviour until its found an mp3/wav or aiff.



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OGG Batch Converter?
Authored by: Cimulation on Aug 04, '04 06:51:41AM

Do you know if there is a batch converter, either to or from the oog format? To such formats as MP3 or aac?



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Airport Express support?
Authored by: daem2 on Sep 19, '04 05:55:49PM

Whatever the thought's on OGG as a format, this plugin works great with iTunes. Except that is for one thing.... it won't play wirelessly to your Airport Express. Instead, the sound just pops up on your Mac's speakers.

Hope someone can sort that one out soon as I didn't realise that would be a problem :(



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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: thisby on Jun 16, '05 01:20:54AM

So...this great plugin doesn't seem to work anymore, once you upgrade to iTunes 4.8 and Quicktime 7. (I'm guessing it's Quicktime that did it..?) The ogg files still show up with their metadata in the playlist, but once you try to play one, iTunes crashes.

I'm still on Panther, but on another forum there was a report that ogg files wouldn't work in Tiger with 4.8 and 7 either.

Any ideas around this one? Has anyone run across an update to the plugins at http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy/ or http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/ ..?



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no updates for tiger/qt7
Authored by: gullevek on Jun 29, '05 09:23:02AM

Nothing, nada, zip. Probably never. Apple closed my request for ogg support (in my opinion for a pro coder, this is doable in a day, count in the company overhead, a week), but apple says there are "workarounds". Pah, humbug.

Well, no I set on my huge ogg collection and have to use other players. I hate this so much. Why can't there be a natural support for all of those formats, its not like mod files which had instruments, patterns, etc etc. This is just read header and decode. and the decode code is already there ...



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ogg file icon in itunes 4.9
Authored by: futures67 on Jul 07, '05 06:29:48AM

Well, iTunes 4.9, if you "Show Package Contents", and have a look round you will find an ogg file icon hidden there... So maybe Apple will support ogg soon enough?



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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: demmons65 on Jul 06, '05 03:13:22PM

I'm still running QT 6.5.2 under 10.3.9 but have iTunes 4.9 (17) installed. No dice here with this combination. Perhaps something with iTunes changed.



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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: midtoad on Jul 11, '05 08:27:09PM

I'm running Quicktime 6.5.2 and iTunes 4.9 on Panther, and I'm able to read .ogg files. I did upgrade to Quicktime 7, and that broke iTunes' ability to read .ogg files, so I used the downgrade facility that Apple provided in order to roll back to 6.5.2. Maybe do that, then uninstall iTunes and reinstall it?



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Why it doesn't work and how it could be fixed
Authored by: DrLex on Aug 20, '05 11:50:23AM
Here's the deal: the current qtcomponents plugin doesn't work because something has changed in QT 7 about the way audio is handled. The solution would be to re-write the plugin so it acts like a real Audio Codec. If I had the time, I'd give it a shot, but don't count on it. I played around a bit with the sample Audio Codec in the Developer folder, and it looks feasible. An adapted version of the current plug-in will probably still be required to allow opening raw .ogg files, otherwise it would only be possible to use Ogg audio in QT movies and AIFF files (which will also be cool of course).
For more info, check the QTComponents project forum.

The chance that Apple will include native Ogg support in QuickTime or iTunes in the near future, is small. I mailed someone at Apple and he said that there are companies that will try to sue any major company that embraces Ogg, to protect their own patented formats. Although Ogg is patent-free and there won't be valid proof for a lawsuit, lawyers will always find ways to annoy the other company and make the lawsuit cost a lot. The guy at Apple did't give any names, but I guess MicroSnort is the N°1 candidate for such a strategy.
In other words, if we want Ogg support back, we'll have to do it ourselves.

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Why it doesn't work and how it could be fixed
Authored by: DrLex on Aug 20, '05 12:05:33PM
To avoid confusion: with "acts like a real Audio Codec", I don't mean: "acts like a RealAudio codec" :)
I mean that the current plug-in is a weird construction which seems to 'import' the whole file when it is opened, and then feeds the audio to QT, or even directly to the sound output. That explains why opening a file always causes an annoying delay, streaming is impossible, and why iTunes can't use the visualizer, sound enhancer or equalizer on Ogg audio. With a decent Audio Codec, written to Apple specifications, these problems should be gone.

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OGG Vorbis on iTunes 5/Quicktime 7 FIXED
Authored by: skinlayers on Sep 20, '05 03:18:35AM

http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1353547&forum_id=135636

Its a work in progress, but apparently it works.



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OGG Vorbis on iTunes 5/Quicktime 7 FIXED
Authored by: miknight on Sep 21, '05 11:35:57AM

It definitely does work, thanks to Arek. I can finally listen to my Ogg podcasts again.



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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: codeFiend on Nov 28, '05 10:37:04AM
The new Xiph.org (creators of OGG format) Quicktime Components page is here: http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/

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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: reformist on Jan 19, '07 09:02:01PM
I've posted a pretty detailed writeup, including getting Ogg to work in iTunes when the music resides on another computer. Hope it saves people time.

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Install an Ogg Vorbis iTunes plugin (revisited)
Authored by: tonya00henson on May 24, '10 12:21:13AM

You can also go to to convert OGG to any of these files, MP3, AAC, FLAC, OGG, WMA, M4A, WAV.



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