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An easy way to reboot into OS 9 System
Since some of you may go for a clean install of 10.2, here's a little trick. If you are partitioning your disk (and you have to for this trick to work; it won't work on a single partition), install Mac OS 9 on your first partition and install OS X on any other partition. After, select the partition or disk with OS X as the startup device and leave it there.

If you ever, for some reason, have to boot into OS 9, simply hold the D key at startup right after the chime. If you reboot, you'll have to hold D again otherwise you'll end up in OS X.

For your information, on startup, the D key tells the machine to boot on the first internal bootable partition or disk in the computer, whatever the startup disk is (useful if you're stuck on a CD). In this case, since OS 9 is installed there, it boots OS 9.

The only thing is that this trick may not be that useful in the future when OS 9 won't be bootable (not that I mind...).
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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: carlos on Aug 16, '02 10:31:38AM

does OS 9 need to be in partition 1?

I was planning to do the following
3 partitions
1st OS X
2nd misc - mp3s, movies, etc...
3rd OS 9

If I need to press D to boot into the first partition that will always be OS X.
Then, how would I be able to boot to OS 9 in my third partition.




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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: leenoble_uk on Aug 16, '02 10:50:29AM

I presume (hope) that the Open Firmware Password App stops this from working.
But anyway you can still boot into 9 if it's not the first partition by holding ALT down at startup and selecting it.
Although I find it infinitely quicker to just select it from the System Preferences and hit restart.
1. Get LaunchBar
2. Hit Command-space
3. Hit S T A
4. hit return
5 click OS9 disk
6 restart

It might look like a lot of steps but it's still faster than waiting for firmware to find all the available disks. And I can leave the OF password in place too.



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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: balthisar on Aug 16, '02 12:17:04PM

You heathen! Alt key indeed...

In any case, on existing computers OS 9 will always be bootable! We shouldn't worry about that. Apple's statements that Mac OS 9 will someday not be bootable is exactly what Apple's been doing as long as I've been using Macs. Put a System 6 disk from my Macintosh SE into a Color Classic, and you get the message to the effect, "Sorry, you must boot this Macintosh using System 7.1 or higher." Similarly, I doubt trying to boot my G4 from 8.5 would work.



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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: alc on Aug 16, '02 04:56:53PM

I've got news for you, my G4 doesn't even recognize OS9.1 as a valid system !



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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: metiure on Aug 16, '02 06:52:46PM

To bypass firmware checking of available disks, just click (and hold) your mouse as you hold ALT.
That way, firmware doen't look for any new system disk than those already available. Choose your partition, and just boot up.

Vic



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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 16, '02 07:02:38PM

Or get Fruit Menu, choose System Preferences -> Startup Disk, choose OS 9, hit restart!

I wish everyone would stop calling the Option key ALT... this isn't a PC! ;)

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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: wuf810 on Aug 16, '02 07:27:38PM

Not sure about Pro keyboards but on a Powerbook Titanium the "Option" key IS Labelled "alt"!!



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Proper Mac key names :)
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 17, '02 12:45:08AM

Every desktop Mac has had the key labeled Option, with "alt" in small letters above it. But the proper name is Option. Just as the "Apple" key is called the "Command" key. Back with the Apple II, you had an open apple and a closed apple key. The "alt" label goes along with several other IBM keyboard labels, such as "del" on the forward delete key, and "num lock" on the "clear" key, which never did anything until OS X. Also notice that the Delete key is called backspace on PC keyboards. This started with the extended Apple keyboard.

My Mac portable has an Option key, which does not say "alt" and my Mac Pluses have no Option or alt key at all. Delete was backspace back then also. Just FYI.



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Proper Mac key names :)
Authored by: leenoble_uk on Aug 17, '02 05:00:32AM
Crikey! Didn't mean to cause such a rumpus with one slip of the keyboard. The fact is on the keyboards I use it is labelled alt. I've been using macs for about 5 years now and I do generally call it the option key, the same way I call the command key the command key. But in certain situations, like when talking to a pc user at work (steadily trying to persuede them to go mac) I do dumb down occasionally and use Apple-key because it has a picture of an Apple on it. And I use alt because it has the word alt written on it.
I just used alt this time because I was in that thinking mode. You can't possibly say it is wrong any more than you'd say typing * is incorrect (it's actually shift-8).
You say tomayto, I say tomarto, you say chips, I say crisps, I say chips, you say fries, what the hell do you call fries?

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Proper names!
Authored by: Cerberus on Aug 17, '02 11:28:09AM
I agree.

How about this question. What are the name of those keys with the F on them (top row on _ALL_ keyboards).I did not have a reason to notice them until I became an operator for an Insurance Company and I was taught that they are 'PF' keys (Pee-Eff). That stands for 'Programmable Function'. A host screen can allow a specific PF key to do a specific function and that for all intents and purposes the PF's for each screen/program can be different. That Mainframe Design was around LONG before PeeCees came into existance. Once I noticed/used those 'PF' keys on the Consoles/Dumb Screens/Terminals, I then did notice the F keys on my Macs and PeeCees and wondered where the 'P' in 'PF' went to?

While we all want to know the 'why' for things but this is NOT the place for it. How about what is a boot, a bonnet or a lorrie?! That would be the trunk, hood and flat-bed truck for most Americans. Another one: Why are Canadians taught that Z (Zee) is Zed? Don't we all speak a manner of English? Yes, wee do but I speak American, he speaks Canadian English (probably just more proper English) and the poster above (most-likely) speaks 'The Queen's English' (British). If the key is 'Option' is is also 'Alt' and 'Apple' is also 'Command', and DANG-IT, each use is correct.

Unfortunatly, I have to stoop to your level to show you that this is incorrect. So I wonder if this will be taken as constructive or inflammatory.

Ok some more:Why do People from Wisconsin call Soda 'Pop' or do I have it wrong? Gosh, this can go ON AND ON AND ON.Leave it be. And this line of questioning is nothing compared to the question: mac, Mac or MAC?



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Proper names!
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 17, '02 06:42:33PM
How about this question. What are the name of those keys with the F on them (top row on _ALL_ keyboards)

Those are "Function Keys."

Go to the Keyboard pref pane and you will see them listed as that.

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Proper names!
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 17, '02 06:47:58PM
Unfortunatly, I have to stoop to your level to show you that this is incorrect. So I wonder if this will be taken as constructive or inflammatory.

What we decide to call the keys might not be what Apple calls them. Even if we don't know the proper name, it has an official Apple name. That was my point. Apple never uses the name "alt" in reference to Mac OS, even if they print the name on the key (which is think is to aid former Windows users).

Wasn't trying to start a rumpus! :)

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Proper Mac key names :)
Authored by: balthisar on Aug 18, '02 01:10:05PM

FWIW, *I* was just trying to cute when I said "heathen," and not start a rumpus or accuse anyone of being wrong :-)



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Partitioning for OS 9
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 17, '02 12:54:29AM


does OS 9 need to be in partition 1?

No. Unless you want to press D...


If I need to press D to boot into the first partition that will always be OS X.
Then, how would I be able to boot to OS 9 in my third partition.

I have a similar setup. Three partition, OS 9 on the first one, OS X on the second one, and the third has applications and stuff.

When I want to boot into 9, which is mostly only to run Cubase, I either change it in the Startup Disk pref, or hold down the Option key at startup, and choose the OS 9 partition. The Startup Disk is the faster way to go, unless you are starting from a cold boot.

If you already have 9 set as the startup OS, you can hold down the X key to boot into OS X.


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Doing on a new DDR G4?
Authored by: G-Force on Aug 17, '02 11:15:52PM

What would be the best way to do this on a new DDR G4? I heard that you can only install OS 9 if you do a complete software restore. If you create a small partition for OS 9 there likely won't be room for a complete software restore.



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Doing on a new DDR G4?
Authored by: lupercus on Aug 20, '02 06:07:05PM

The best thing to do if you want the D key to work, I think, would be to partionate with the OSX CD and than put a restore on the second partition (or the one you want OSX to be). Then, move the OS9 System Folder, the Applications (Mac OS 9) folder and all OS9 related folders to the first partition (you may need to be booted on the CD or logged as root to do this)



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Boot up partition selection
Authored by: kramrm on Aug 16, '02 05:06:43PM
A while back a big list of keyboard shortcuts was publised on this site. One of the items listed is that if you hold the option key during boot up, you get a list of each available partition and a chance to pick one to boot from. If you've got multiple drives setup, this is the easiest way to choose on the fly.

The site I found this on is: http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html

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Boot up partition selection
Authored by: lupercus on Aug 17, '02 01:05:20AM
The thing is, the Option, or Alt, key doesn't work on all models on Mac (like Power Macs G3, some iMacs and PowerBooks) so with the D key you can still boot in OS9 without having to go to the Startup Disk Control Panel if you have one of these models.

Also, it takes less time doing this than Option since it goes directly to the first partition while with Option, the Startup manager search every drive available and even if they are all listed, you have to wait until it has finished completely.

And yes, OS9 must be on the first partition, otherwise, you'll boot in the OS installed in that partition.

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Boot up partition selection
Authored by: DavidRavenMoon on Aug 17, '02 06:50:44PM
The thing is, the Option, or Alt, key doesn't work on all models on Mac (like Power Macs G3, some iMacs and PowerBooks) so with the D key you can still boot in OS9 without having to go to the Startup Disk Control Panel if you have one of these models.

I believe Option wont work if OS 9 and OS X are on the same partition.

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Boot up partition selection
Authored by: lupercus on Aug 20, '02 06:00:18PM

Even if they are on separate partitions, Option won't work on those models.



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