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Use a PC GeForce card in your Mac System
With the forthcoming release of OS X 10.2 aka Jaguar, everyone with a ATI Rage 128 pro, or even worse, will not have the advantage of Quartz Extreme. But there is a solution, if your machine has an AGP slot. Go to the local PC shop and buy yourself a cheap GeForce card.

I bought an Asus GeForce2 MX 400 64 mb with TV-out. This card didn't needed to be flashed, and it worked out of the box ... but not with any OS X version above 10.1.2. In those versions, your card will be limited to a resolution of 1024*768 and will perform very badly. But have no fear! There is a simple solution for this. Read the rest of the article for the how-to...

WARNING: You'll do all of this completly at your OWN RISK!

The following how-to also appears on gargleblaster.org...
  1. Reboot your machine in OS 9.

  2. Download TomeViewer

  3. Download the Apple nVidia drivers

  4. Use TomeViewer to extract AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS] from the tome-file.

  5. Open up your applescript editor and enter the following:
    tell application "AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS]" 
    CompareROMVersion
    if (CompareROMVersion) = true then
    FlashROM
    end if
    quit
    end tell
  6. Press the check syntax button ( you never know) ...

  7. Now save the script in the same place as where you have saved the extracted rom (AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS] )

  8. Run the freshly created AppleScript.

  9. Reboot to X.

  10. Enjoy your GeForce powered System.
If everything went well, System Profiler will tell you the following:

Card name: NVD A, NVMac
Card model: GeForce2 MX
Card ROM#: 1045F

I did all this in a cube 450 mhz with firmware 4.19f1. It needed some soldering and work to get it in the cube AGP slot, but that was only because I wanted it to look nice. In the G4 towers this isn't necessary at all. I didn't test the S-video and the TV-out plugs, but the card works perfectly, and should continue working when Jaguar ships.
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confusion
Authored by: logan on Jul 12, '02 09:08:08AM

Which problem does flashing the ROM fix, exactly? Does it now work at all resolutions in 10.1.2 and below, or does it now work in versions above 10.1.2? Or both?

Whichever it is: good job, Parappa.



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confusion
Authored by: Gwyrrdin on Jul 12, '02 09:50:55AM

Excuse my poor English, it ain't my mothertongue.

But flashing the ROM solves the problem that a-non-flashed card doesn't display any higher than 1024*768 in X versions above 10.0.2

So with a flashed ROM it does display all the resolutions and works properly up to 10.2.



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Off brands...
Authored by: cwooster on Aug 07, '02 01:25:53PM

I failed to get a $39 "off-brand" (unnamed by vendor) GeForce2MX card to boot properly in OS9 to be able to flash it. With the card in, display was full of lines and boot would hang midway through. Even using a second PCI driven monitor as the primary montior, it wouldn't boot or display off the cheap GeForce. One of the comments above listed a URL for a chart comparing success of various cards. The top mentions that the RAM on low-end cards often isn't fast enough to work in the Mac... I'm going to try again with an Asus card. Curious if others have had similar experiences with rock bottom priced cards that are "off brand"



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What about 2x AGP Macs?
Authored by: PigDawg on Jul 12, '02 11:06:48AM

The ASUS GeForce2 MX is a 4x AGP card. Will it still work in my G4 350 which has a 2x AGP slot?



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What about 2x AGP Macs?
Authored by: rocrusso on Jul 12, '02 01:22:16PM

i think so.

he has a cube 450 that he did this on and according to everymac.com

http://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_450_cube.html

that cube is 2x AGP

i think i might try this for my dual 500 (and how i LOATHE that it is only 2xAGP because it runs like a champ)

instead of blowing $300 on an ATi Radeon 8500



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What about 2x AGP Macs?
Authored by: sirtalonz on Jul 13, '02 07:44:27PM

Yes, it will automatically clock the card down.



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GeForce 2MX PCI
Authored by: ihafro on Jul 12, '02 11:16:08AM

Has anyone successfully done this with a PCI version of the card?



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xlr8yourmac
Authored by: kerouassady on Jul 12, '02 12:00:40PM
Go to www.xrl8yourmac.com, click on the FAQ link, look for "Video Cards non-3Dfx types", and look at the third question. This has been covered extensively there. Also, if you have a PC you can use, go to this site: http://www.cybercoment.com/macgeforce.htm which has a table of different manufacturer's of Geforce2MXs that have been tried. It also has a bootable floppy you can use in a PC to flash a Geforce2 to work in a Mac. There is also a site set up with info on flashing a Geforce 3 at http://duxbury.la/gf3/gf3_1.html (though it is often inaccessable, you can find a cached page on Google) PCI cards have been known to work but not well and its not easy and its not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination and you can screw up your Mac while you are at it. Geforce3Tis do not work since Apple has never made a Titanium to get the ROM from. People have been experimenting with the Geforce4Ti since Apple just released their own version but I don't think anyone has been successful. Check the Forums as well on xlr8yourmac as there are always people talking about it. AGP speeds are backwards compatible. I have been running a 4x PNY Geforce2MX400 64MBSDRAM in my 2x G4/450 for the better part of a year with no problems. There have been many reports of people flashing PC ATI Radeon 8500s to work using the recently released ATI update, though you're not reallys saving too much cash on getting the PC version instead of the Mac version.

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xlr8yourmac - PCI Video Card
Authored by: larob on Jul 16, '02 12:51:48AM

I unfortunately have a Blue and White G3 that I have sort of upgraded and don't want to buy a computer with an AGP port.. I have noticed that VisionTek makes a 64mb DDR Ram PCI GeForce2 MX card called the 5564.. Has anyone had experience with this?? This would seem like a great PCI choice for those of us who need it - plenty of RAM, etc.. also, not that VisionTek is probably the people who OEM the Apple Card.. I just want to find out if anyone has tried this card.. please let me know either here or at larob@yahoo.com.. Thanks in advance!

-R



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GeForce2 MX400 is...
Authored by: klmay65 on Jul 12, '02 01:10:22PM

I checked the nVidia specs to make sure. While the GeForce2 card is AGP 4X card it also supports 1X and 2X, so there is no problem with the older Apple AGP slots.



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OK I am blind or stupid
Authored by: klmay65 on Jul 12, '02 02:58:35PM

I downloaded the driver update from above and opened the Tome with TomeViewer, but I could not find MacFlash [1045-MRS].
All I see is:
NVIDIA 2D Acceleration
NVIDIA Driver
NVIDIA DVD Accelerator
NVIDIA Engine
NVIDIA OpenGL
NVIDIA Video Accelerator

What's Up?



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So does this really work?
Authored by: sublinear on Jul 12, '02 02:53:06PM

I was just thinking of buying a new Radeon to play Warcraft 3 with (and to better OS X.2 when it comes out) but I'm afraid this... sounds... fishy...

Do y'all still think this 'hack' will work in say, 10.2.1, 10.3, etc.? It may be worth the extra cash just to buy a Radeon that ~will always work~...



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Driver Update Link is wrong.
Authored by: klmay65 on Jul 12, '02 03:24:31PM

The link above for the nVidia update is wrong. It goes to the 3.0 update which does not have the Flasher in it. You need the 2.1.1 update.

The link at "http://www.gargleblaster.org/index.php?category=2&id=4" is correct.



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....YES it does.
Authored by: kerouassady on Jul 13, '02 11:40:40AM

The whole reason this works is that you are taking an card manufactured to Nvidia's specs and replacing the ROM on it with one that goes on an Apple manufactured Nvidia card. As far as the OS and Mac are concerned at that point, its an Apple Nvidia card. This is a pretty old, tested thing to do. People on XLR8yourmac have been doing it for a year and a half, pretty much since Apple first switched from ATI to Nvidia for their video cards. In fact, Visiontek is the company that makes the cards for Apple. The only way they would stop working is if Apple decided to switch video card chipsets (back to ATI or to Matrox or someone as yet unknown) and no longer support their own older cards. Considering they still support ATI Rage Pros and will continue to do so (even though Quartz Extreme will not work, you can still use your card), I seriously doubt any situation as described above would happen. The PC and Mac ATI/Nvidia cards are using exactly the same chipset and are manufactured pretty much the same way with only minor differences (fan/heatsink, SDRAM/DDR, DVI or no) so the only thing that makes them different is the software used to run it and the firmware on the ROM chip.

It may take some experimentation and some research to pick the right card to buy and do it right, but, as I've posted the relevant links, its not really that hard. You take some chances when you do this but paying $60 for a card from Visiontek as opposed to $270 for a card from Apple from Visiontek is worth a little extra work to me.

This is pretty old hat, people. This is not new information. Its been done and verified a dozen times over and I actually can't believe most of you people aren't aware of it.



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Maybe Not
Authored by: jasonxz on Jul 15, '02 01:13:02AM

I bought a Pine Excalibur GeForce2 MX400 64MB, and after flashing it per the instructions, the card did not fully work; I could boot into 9.2, but there were a lot of screen artifacts, which made it fairly unusuable. Interestingly, in the Apple System Profiler, the card's ROM version was 1028F - not 1045 like in the article.



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Maybe Not
Authored by: Gwyrrdin on Jul 15, '02 03:22:01PM

Did the screen turn black for 5-10 seconds?
If so..the card was flashed...if not the card wasn't...

You could also try after running the applescript to run the 2.1.1 updater itself...

Otherwise feel free to email me....



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Maybe Not
Authored by: jasonxz on Jul 15, '02 05:31:14PM

When I ran the Applescript, the screen did not turn black - so I guess it never was completely flashed. I tried the 2.1.1 updater, but it returned the error "this program cannot run on your computer." I don't understand why the Applescript refused to completely flash my card because I even checked the syntax. Perhaps the chipset is somehow different the one Apple uses?



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Maybe Not
Authored by: Ledrage on Jul 19, '02 01:15:02PM

I had exactly the same outcome. My screen also did not go black, but Profiler shows it to have Mac Rom but with a different rom number 1027F I think. Same garbage screen etc. Any tips would be appreciated.



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Maybe Not
Authored by: p4m on Sep 04, '02 05:22:10AM

I've tried the solutions published at http://www.gargleblaster.org/lichaam.php?category=2&id=13
with two different videocards:
1 Hercules 3D Prophet II Ultra 64 (Geforce2 Ultra) and
1 Asus V7100M-LP/32M( T ) (Geforce2 MX 32)
on a PowerMac G4 'sawtooth' 400 mHz
and when I ran the Applescript the screen did not turn black
so I think that I've flashed no cards
Have you found a solution that work in the meantime?



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Maybe Not
Authored by: kadams9181 on Sep 15, '02 12:55:57PM

No I've not been able to get it to work either. But I checked the AppleScript dictionary for 'AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS]' and the command 'FlashRom' and one of the results (which I get) is '4200: generic error.' Any AppleScript gurus out there who know what that means and how to fix it?



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what about.....
Authored by: pyrohotdog on Jul 12, '02 08:29:43PM

I feel dumb asking this, but I don't know much about hardware....(obviously)

can you change the graphics card in a G3 iMac?



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what about.....
Authored by: malvolio on Jul 12, '02 09:31:11PM

Not exactly. You would have to do "surgery" on (or replace) the motherboard.



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what about.....
Authored by: osx4me on Jul 13, '02 10:07:08PM

I have to say: don't try it.
Sorry. Earlier models had room for expansion, but we're talking about moving from 2 to 6 MB of VRAM. Otherwise, the VRAM of the iMac is hard-wired on the Logic-Board, and there's probably /no/ way to get the Logic-Board to address added VRAM, even if you were willing to destroy your iMac by trying.



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GeForce4
Authored by: ceredon on Jul 13, '02 10:22:12PM

Will this work for GeForce4MX cards? I know they are available for the Mac, but are the PC version cheaper or are the exactly the same? Or would I even need to flash it? Reason I am asking is the local PC store near me sells the MSI GeForce4 MX420 64MB w/TV-Out for not much more than the ASUS V7100 GeForce2 MX200 SE w/TV-Out. ($95 vs. $123 Canadian)



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www.xlr8yourmac.com
Authored by: kerouassady on Jul 14, '02 02:37:05AM

Do some research. Please.



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www.xlr8yourmac.com
Authored by: ceredon on Jul 14, '02 03:40:21AM

umm..jackass, that's what i was trying to do by posting to a 'hints' site forum. What do think 'hints' sites are for? Next time, before replying with a smart ass answer, take a monent, breath beep and blow it out yer hole. Thanks;)



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www.xlr8yourmac.com
Authored by: ExtremeSIMS on Jul 15, '02 09:30:40PM

What a jerk! He's OBVIOUSLY coming here for help, you git.

To the original poster - I tried a GeForce4 (I was one of the ones who sent Mike over at xlr8yourmac my experiences when the GF4 came out), and had no luck. :(



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www.xlr8yourmac.com
Authored by: ceredon on Jul 16, '02 04:25:17PM

Then I guess I will prolly just go with the ASUS V7100 GeForce2 MX200 SE w/TV-Out. Thanks for answering.



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PNY GeForce4 MX 420 AGP?
Authored by: newmexicomac on Jul 16, '02 11:36:30PM

Has anyone tried this with a PNY Verto GeForce4 MX420 AGP card? What cards has this been successfully tried with? I am running a G4 450DP with OS X 10.1.5. Thanks!



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PNY GeForce4 MX 420 AGP?
Authored by: pickback77 on Jul 28, '02 02:13:09PM

Was not able to successfully flash a PNY GeForce MX400 AGP Card with Mac method descirbed above. Had to flash on a PC using method described at http://www.cybercoment.com/macgeforce.htm. Card is now working great on Mac OS 9.2 and OS X for me.



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PNY GeForce4 MX 420 AGP?
Authored by: pickback77 on Jul 28, '02 02:16:40PM
Sorry, typo... I meant PNY GeForce2 MX400 AGP Card in the above post.

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Asus V7100 Pro SE does NOT fit in Cube
Authored by: rfn on Jul 21, '02 08:53:28AM

I just tried to buy an Asus V7100 Pro SE, which is a 64 MB card with TV-out. The card I received was to tall to fit in a Cube, so instead I found an Asus V7100 Pro, which is a 32 MB card without TV-out. This card is much smaller and fits without problems.

After bootup I could only access three resolutions in both OS 9 and OS X, but that was fixed after flashing the card and it now works beautifully. The fan on the card does make the machine quite a bit more noisy but it's still a pretty silent machine compared to most other computers. I can't wait for 10.2!

The biggest problem with this solution is that the original frontplate from the ATI card didn't fit the new Asus card. This means that the card is only connected to the AGP interface and that makes it quite loose. I don't move around my Cube so it's not a big problem, but for others it might be and it also reveals a big hole in the bottom of the Cube.



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Asus V7100 Pro SE does NOT fit in Cube
Authored by: NoiseFactory on Jul 22, '02 10:23:48PM

Purchased an Asus V7100 Pro with 64megs & S/RCA Video out...works great after following Gwyrrdin's instructions. DVD Player works but....S-VIDEO DOES NOT WORK. Maybe a little modification to the driver is all that is needed. Anyway....Looking forward to Quartz Extreme...and now my G4 450 Cube is ready.



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Asus V7100 Pro SE no luck on a G4 350
Authored by: Chainsaw on Jul 26, '02 03:50:02AM

I tried an ASUS V7100 Pro SE in my G4350 and flashed the rom as per instructions in the original post. The Flashing worked perfectly however I was not 100% happy with the result, I did get a good clear screen with lots of extra resolutions but I had video artefacts appearing that would cluster around the edges of text etc. and make the text almost unreadable, I could make them disappear for a while by windowshading the window and and reopening it (OS9) but the artefacts would always come back. OSX (10.1.5) had similar problems.(Imagine a TFT screen with LOTS of dead pixels, that's what it looked like)
I flashed in 1045 should I be trying a different rom? Can you flash multiple times???



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Asus V7100 Pro SE no luck on a G4 350
Authored by: ejensen on Jul 26, '02 04:51:55PM

I think this is likely a heating issue. The graphics chip may not have sufficient cooling to run at the speed that the Mac ROM sets it to. I see this to some extent with the VisionTek GeForce2 MX400 5564 AGP card I am using- when I run for a long time with many apps, I begin seeing the artifacts and I think have also caused a computer crash. There is a small heatsink on the graphics chip on my card. I am going to try a fan next to the card to see if that stops the problem.

Another possibility is that the video memory chips are being run faster than their rated speed. This is a real issue with OEM cards and some retail cards. I believe the Apple card uses 5ns (ie. 200MHz) chips and many nVidia cards use 6ns chips, some even use 7.5ns chips.



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Asus V7100 Pro SE no luck on a G4 350
Authored by: mhh334 on Jul 27, '02 06:26:42AM

I too tried an Asus V7100 Pro in my G4 466 and experienced the screen artifacts which renders the card unusable. Now I am stuck with a card I can't use in an Apple or PC (now that it has been flashed for an Apple).



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Asus V7100 Pro SE no luck on a G4 350
Authored by: Johnny_B on Aug 10, '02 08:23:59PM

Will the SE version work on any mac at all ? I've found some really cheap ones...



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Another data point- success
Authored by: ejensen on Jul 24, '02 02:54:14PM

I had succes flashing on a Mac- this was a Visiontek GeForce2 MX400 Xtasy 5564 64MB AGP with VGA and s-video out. I initially tried flashing on a PowerMac G4 (Dual 500, boot rom 3.34f1) but got no video output in OS 9 or X. I tried unsuccessfully to flash the card ROM as a 'Startup Item' task.

I didn't have a PC readily available but I did then try the card in my G4 400 (single processor, boot rom 4.28f1) with AGP. This time the video was visible in OS 9.1 and I was able to run the Mac flash utility successfully first time. I then took the card back to my G4 Dual 500 and it works just great. It may have been the different boot rom or possibly the different timing between the older 400 G4 and the newer one.



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Another data point- success
Authored by: kadams9181 on Aug 18, '02 10:25:49AM

I've got the exact same machine (400 mhz G4), the exact same card (Visiontek GeForce2 MX400 Xtasy 5564 64MB AGP with VGA and s-video out), the exact same boot rom (4.28f1), the same os (9.1) but, when I ran the Mac Flash Utility, nothing happened. I even tried the Applescript posted at the top of the page. Anybody got any ideas as to why it worked for ejensen but not for me?



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Upgrading the video card for power g4 400 mhz
Authored by: hAvOc994 on Jul 24, '02 05:59:35PM

is there any upgrade for the power book g4 of any kind???????? some one help



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GeForce4?
Authored by: BuddahBobb on Jul 28, '02 04:10:46PM

Will this work with a GeForce 4 Ti?

I currently have a Radeon 7500 and would like to upgrade, but not at apple's prices, what card would be the best to get that i could do this with?



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I've put the files online
Authored by: Gwyrrdin on Aug 06, '02 11:16:25AM
During my holiday I didn't follow the comments.... But I see there are still a lot of questions. I've put my script, with the ROM, on my website gargleblaster.org I tested it last saturday with a new Geforce card. It worked again.

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I've put the files online
Authored by: YNOTDZ9 on Aug 08, '02 02:03:13PM

I understand this whole thread is for AGP cards...but, will the same line of coding work on PCI cards? I have a B/W 450 running OSX.1.5, and I'd like to drop in a PC nVidia GeForce 4 MX 420---64MB...Has anyone tried this on a PCI card...???



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I've put the files online
Authored by: hydroscrog on Sep 16, '02 05:12:13AM

just wondering if you could do this with a gf4 ti 4200 64mb card i seen a pic of this card and it seems to be able to fit into a g4 cube as it has an agp 2x interface it should work providen you had the roms correct



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Cheap MX400, moderate success
Authored by: JorgeElCurioso on Aug 11, '02 12:20:09AM

I found the ASUS V7100 on compuvest.com for $36, so I figured it'd be worth a cheap shot at flashing. The card worked without flashing in both OS 9.2 and 10.1.5 (I got clear video to my VGA monitor, and could change between a few resolutions and refresh rates in Control Panels/System Prefs). I tried flashing it with the Mac and the PC according to the instructions at cybercoment.com. Both methods had no results. But in OS 9, adding NVIDIA's extensions did the trick; now Unreal Tournament runs smooth with all graphics settings maxed.

The problem is that in OS X, any 3D apps run like molasses. I'll get a couple frames, a second's delay, quick flash of gray, then another couple frames, and so on. I don't know enough about X yet to figure out how to do any driver updating. Still, I'm amazed that a forty dollar card would work so well with so little work on my part.

Any gurus have a clue how I can fix, or at least monkey around with, the 3D problem? Maybe some sort of OpenGL settings?



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'PNY Verto GeForce 2 MX 400 64 MB AGP' Video Card not working properly in Jaguar
Authored by: pickback77 on Oct 23, '02 11:47:38PM

I have a Flashed PC 'PNY Verto GeForce 2 MX 400 64 MB AGP' Video Card that worked great in OS X 10.1 but is not working quite properly in Jaguar. 1280x1024, Millions of color, 75 Hz is resolution of choice

Problem 1:
Upon a new restart or startup I get the grey apple screen and then black for rest of boot process. Only when I boot with option key down (and manually choose my startup drive) do I ever get properly boot up with video.

Problem 2:
When video is up, i get faint flicker on my CRT every time lots of refreshing is needed such as Dock popping up or Finder directory refresh. Only when I disable Quartz Extreme (which I did via PCI Extreme! utility) will this flickering stop.

The original reason I got this video card was in anticipation of Jaguar and Quartz Extreme acceleration.

Any ideas on what is going on here? Thanks much for any help.



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Video Card not working with Jaguar
Authored by: JiminyGlick on Nov 08, '02 12:51:26AM

Hi - I'm having the same problem with my card...

I have been using a flashed ASUS V7100 GeForce 2 MX pure AGP without any problem for the past year. When I upgraded to Jaguar, no go. It won't boot at all.
I have a G4 533 Digital Audio and would like to take advantage of Quartz Extreme with this card.

Ideas anyone?

- Jiminy



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Asus 7100 Pro SE MX 400 GF2
Authored by: bingster on Jan 10, '03 11:49:06AM

hi guys

i REALLY ho u can help me out here cuz i have some probs i dont understand:

Out of the box it "worked" (Massive flickering with wide green strips) on OS 9.2 and OSX 10.2 so I think that the only thing that I had to do, was to upgrade the Rom form 1028f (the card's factory Rom, from System Profiler) to 1045 on OS9. But that doesn't work at all, nothing happens. The card is in my AGP slot as the only card in the machine! The monitor doesn't "blink" under the flashing process and after restart the card Rom is still 1028f. How do I exact make the Rom flash on 9 and witch Rom and Flasher should I use?

I have also tried to flash the card on my PC, according to Charlie Hayes on cybercoment.com, but that didn't help me a lot! The Rom on the card is still 1028f. I even tried to flash back, it witch the original PC Rom/BIOS from Asus after a complete deleting of the Rom, and then back to the Mac one, I tried with – nVidia 1027f / 1055 / 1075twin and I found a Rom named AsusV7100(MAC).ROM and V7100Pro/pure.ROM But still nothing happens, the card Rom is still 1028f. I have also tried with different flashers, with and without the –m option. What flasher and Rom will work with the card?

My Mac spec:
One partition with OSX 10.2 and one with OS 9.2.1
G4 400 MHz AGP-Graphics (x1) x2
512 MB Ram - 3 PCI (33 MHz) and AGP slots - 10/100/ Ethernet

can u help plz.
t in advance

Michael



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Same problem
Authored by: Eponymous on Jan 19, '03 10:38:29PM
I modified the script to give more info on running and got the same 4200 generic error problem after running. My card shows ROM 1027F in Apple system profiler, with Rev. 178. Script:
on run
	
	tell application "AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS]"
		activate
		if (CompareROMVersion) = true then
			
			FlashROM
			set x to the result as string
			if x = "0" then display dialog "0: All went well!"
			if x = "4200" then display dialog "4200: Generic error"
			if x = "4201" then display dialog "4201: No NVIDIA Hardware found"
			if x = "4202" then display dialog "4202: No supported OpenFirmware found for this Graphics Card"
			
		else
			display dialog ("It's likely that either the image ROM Version is older than the one already on the card" & return 
				& "or you don't have an NVidia card installed.")
			
		end if
		
		quit
		
	end tell
	
end run


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Same problem
Authored by: Eponymous on Jan 19, '03 11:29:01PM

Let me be a bit more specific:

9.2.2 runs just fine as is, with the latest NVidia drivers that I've got (2.3).

OS X (.1 or .2) has an ugly startup screen (sort of partially horizontally overlapping in strips) and freezes before it gets out of the startup screen, or so it appears.

Running the script from my previous post results in a false from the CompareROMVersion check, even though the system profiler reports a ROM version of 1028F, which ought to be older than 1045. If I leave out this loop and just run the internal part, FlashROM reports the 4200 generic error. Running the updater on its own results in it hanging, from which I can easily force-quit.

I forgot (stupid) to check the ROM version before I first ran this utility, so I'm not sure whether the card's ROM was updated at all.



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 21, '03 09:58:38AM
I bought a Asus V7100 GF2 MX400 64Mb PRO PURE AGP, I installed it in my G4 Dual 500. I tried to flash the ROM, nothing happened, no black screen, Apple system profiler gave me ROM version 1028f, and the card only worked in OS 9, one resolution and 256 colors...

So I downloaded all the nVidia drivers and installed them in the OS 9 extensions folder and in the OS X library (not sure it's necessary for OS X). Then I flashed the ROM with this simple modified apple script :

(you need the AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS] application)

tell application "AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS]"
FlashROM
end tell


Bingo!! The screen turned black!!! I rebooted my G4 and I now have the 1045 ROM version in my system profiler. The card works perfectly in OS 9.2 and OS X Jaguar, no bug at all!!!

Thank you!! I saved 200$


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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: bingster on Jan 26, '03 07:45:29PM

ok cool

but i just have this problem. When i put the extensions down in system and try to reboot, the system wont startup. All i get i a grey screen :o( WHY ?.

t
Michael



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 27, '03 09:26:58AM

Are you trying to reboot in OS 9.2? You have to flash the card before rebooting in OS X.



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: bingster on Jan 27, '03 11:21:11AM

well this is what i do. i DL the flash kit with right rom etc. Then i put the Nvidia extensions in os 9 system and want to reboot in os 9 to flash the card. But my system wont startup, all i get is the grey screen. Am i doing something wrong ?. I guess that u can only flash the card if the nvidia drivers are in extensions folder ?.

t
Michael



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 27, '03 03:12:36PM

How many graphic card do you have in your computer? If you have a card installed in one of the pci slot, remove it.

What geforce2 model did you buy?



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: bingster on Jan 27, '03 04:34:52PM

hey

no i only have one card " new one " in AGP port.
the model is:

V7100 PRO se 64mb GF2 MX 400

Is there some models wich CANT be updated in rom ?.
Maybe its extensions thats conflicting ?. Im using the 2.1.1 nvidia drivers.

t
Michael



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 27, '03 05:04:54PM

hummm...

Did you try to update your G4 firmware? Go to the apple support section to download the update. The only difference I see, is that my Asus card is a Pro PURE not a Pro SE like yours, but I don't think this is the problem.

If you remove the nVidia extensions, can you reboot in OS 9.2 with at least one resolution?



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: bingster on Jan 27, '03 05:29:33PM

well yes i can boot up in 9 " without nvidia extensions " in 256 resolution, but i get alot of flickering and lines on my screen, but guess its because the card isent flashed yet.

can you please descibe in right order what you did, and how so i can try the same
because i really dont get this.

i am running all the latest firmware etc.

t
Michael



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 28, '03 01:25:15PM
OK, Here's exactly what I did: I first downloaded the files. Then I run the flash script, nothing happened, no black screen. So I downloaded the latest nVidia drivers (2.1.1) from Apple. I tried to updates the nVidia drivers but it didn't work, I got a message telling me that I can't install that on my computer. So I took the Tome document in the installer files folder (in the Geforce Graphics Update folder), and I expanded it with Tomeviewer, I took the expanded files and put them in the extension folder of the os 9 system folder, and I rebooted in OS 9.2. Then I run the following script (with the apple script app.) : tell application "AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS]" FlashROM end tell Before running this script save it in the same location where you put the AENV MacFlash [1045-MRS] application. If everything's ok your screen should turn black for 10-15 seconds, you must reboot to see the 1045 ram in your system profiler. After that, you can reboot in OS X!!!

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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: bingster on Jan 28, '03 04:06:39PM

ok thanx man, but the only problem i have here is that i can boot up with OLD gfx card and new Nvidia drivers. Then i shutdown take the old card out, put the new in and restart. BUT then my machine stops after happy mac and all i get is a greay screen ?. Do u know why ?.

t
Michael



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It Worked!!!!
Authored by: Hyperfranx on Jan 28, '03 05:00:09PM

Weird...

The only thing I see is a conflict between your extensions, remove all the new nvidia extensions and look for old nvidia drivers and erase them. What is your old card, nVidia or Ati?

You can also try to add the new extensions one by one to see which one is causing your problem...



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It Didn't work :(
Authored by: Spelvin on Jan 28, '03 10:45:26AM

I have a similar issue as Hyperfranx. I have tried both an Aopen Geforce 2 MX 400 64MB and a Pine Technologies Excalibur GeForce 2 MX 32 MB AGP. Running a first gen AGP G4 with the latest Firmware. Initally I got nothing on the monitor when I had a Flashed Voodoo in a PCI slot. Once I removed the Voodoo either card will come up and read as a 1028F ROM however there are a lot of artifacts and lines on the screen. I am afraid that this is now an issue with the timing of the RAM on the cards as everyone else seems to have them working fine
:(
Also the only way I can boot at all is with the extensions off. If I try and boot 9 with the extensions on it hangs half way throught the load progress bar. I think this may be due to a resolution issue? This is all under OS 9.2 with the latest nvidia extensions. When I try to boot to OSX I get the inital Happy Mac and a color wheel in the upper left hand corner but once the machine goes to post all i get is a "light" gray screen and nothing else.

Frustrating but fun at the same time....Man the Voodoo 3 flash went so much easier ;)

thanks to anyone for the help.



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Use a PC GeForce card in your Mac: OS X 10.3?
Authored by: RolandMuts on Mar 03, '04 02:23:14PM

Hi guys,

Got an G3 iMac with OS 10.3, installed it on a LaCie FireWire disk. Happy Roland :-)

Couple of weeks ago bought an old G4 400mHz, with a flashed PC (so now Mac) GeForce2 card. OS X 10.2.8 was installed, works fine with the card. However, after connecting my FireWire disk and booting 10.3, the screen goes black after finished booting.

Haven't found a solution to the problem yet, but chances are that the flashed cards won't work with 10.3 :-(

Cheers,

Roland



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Use a PC GeForce card in your Mac: OS X 10.3?
Authored by: bagwell on Mar 13, '04 09:16:51PM

I have a PC MSI Geforce2 MX 400 32 mb, from www.msi.com.tw ( Model MX400D ), working great in Panther. No bios / firmare / hacks necessary. I just put the new AGP card, power on the G4 ( Gigabit Ethernet ) and then the computer recognized the card without problems. GREAT!!

The card works perfectly under Panther. I have a 1600 x 1200 at 60 hz resolution! No errors.

Regards



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Use a PC GeForce card in your Mac: OS X 10.3?
Authored by: RolandMuts on Mar 19, '04 03:55:04AM

OK, got the old ATI card back, replaced the flashed GeForce card with it, booted the system, and installed OS 10.3 from the install CD.

After the installation was finished, and the computer was rebooted, I still had weird graphics errors (safari screen not repainting properly after scrolling up/down, same with 'standard' OS X list windows).

Checked with the System Profiler, and the information about the graphics card still said the GeForce card was inside the computer?!

Switched off the G4, booted up again while holding that recessed button on the front of the computer casing, the computer started beeping, typed in the 'mac-boot' command, the system restarted, and the graphics errors were gone...

But the System Profiling information still said that there was a GeForce card installed!

Then rebooted again, installed the latest 10.3 update (10.3.3), and now the system seems to run without any problems... Still the System Profiler tells me that there's a GeForce card installed...

Cheers,

Roland



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