Anyone interested in a used G3/500 2001 model? ;-)
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Apple introduced the new iBooks today. With an AGP 2x Radeon card, the new iBook completes a lineup in which every machine can take advantage of the upcoming Quartz Extreme graphics acceleration (in Jaguar). They've also speed bumped the top-of-the-line machine to 700mhz.
Anyone interested in a used G3/500 2001 model? ;-)
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Quartz Extreme? Are you sure?
I heard Quartz Extreme needs 32MB on the video board to work.
Quartz Extreme? Are you sure?
No, the 32MB is not a requirement. Apple's site says that for Optimal performance you should have 32MB but that it will also run on any AGP Radeon card.
OS upgrade needs hardware upgrade!?
Apple writes an upgrade to OSX which isn't fully compatible with the current ibook (graphics card). Then it upgrades its current ibook to be compatible with the upgraded OS. Does anyone see something wrong with this? Does anyone else wonder why Apple didn't write Jaguar to be fully compatible with the hardware in ALL recent models? Does anyone else who owns a one month old ibook get the feeling it'll be about as useful for running Jaguar as the G3 powerbook was for running OSX.0/X.1?
stop the whining!
jaguar is fully compatible on machines that can't use quartz extreme. quartz extreme requres special hardware, which you don't have in your machine. you think apple shouldn't release quartz extreme just because there is old hardware out there that isn't technically capable of taking advantage of quartz extreme...thats just as stupid as saying "no opengl support should be added to macos because there are graphics cards that cant handle opengl"
stop the whining!
Ask an Apple developer whether there are any reasons why QE couldn't have been developed to provide speed increases for ATI RAGE 128 PRO & ULTRA cards. Then ask an Apple business strategist the same question. One will answer no, one will answer yes.
Umm....NO
Umm, this has been debated quite heavily over at the MacNN forums, and the evidence points towards Apple being correct that Quartz Extreme will NOT run on Rage 128s. Now this in not due to the processing power of the Rage 128, but rather the memory (how much and how fast it can be accessed).
Umm....NO
>>Your argument is silly - you are not entitled to anything AFTER you bought your machine.
Umm....NO
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Umm....NO
Err, my iBook DOES have an AGP card.
Umm....NO
You made an example of QE being obsolete... you talked about a new OS version supporting only a 64x CD as an example of your CD being obsolete. The CD DRIVE IS NOT OBSOLETE... the proper example would be, the new OS can use a 64x but since you have a 32x it only runs at 32x.... that is a big difference from NOT WORKING AT ALL.
Your iBooks is just fine...
Stop worrying... nobody is taking your iBook away.
You are STILL supported
No one ever said your machine was not supported. You'll still enjoy the reported increases in "snappiness" without the use of Quartz Extreme.
You are STILL supported
I had an iBook on order when Steve Jobs made the Quartz announcement. I would not have bought if I had known but still had to take delivery of a machine after finding out that Apple was not optimizing its operating system for machines they were then delivering.
You are STILL supported
Jaguar isn't even released yet! Until then, the "Apple shouldn't ship obsolete" argument is bunk.
You are STILL supported
Apple is optimizing Mac OS X for your machine.
stop the whining!
Ask an Apple developer whether there are any reasons why QE couldn't have been developed to provide speed increases for ATI RAGE 128 PRO & ULTRA cards. Then ask an Apple business strategist the same question. One will answer no, one will answer yes.
The answer would be no to both. The Rage128's issue is not with bandwidth as it is with the PCI video cards. The issue is with the GPU itself. One of the requirements for QE is to have support for textures that can be sizes other than powers of 2. The Rage128 series does not have this functionality, thus cannot be used for acceleration. The ATI Tech I talked with also mentioned that they did attempt to get a PCI compatible version of QE running but because of bandwidth issues and a general lack of features compared to agp it was slower than using the CPU alone.
stop the whining!
Would it be fair for me to be a bit miffed if my iBook worked slower under Jaguar than under OSX.1?
stop the whining!
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OS upgrade needs hardware upgrade!?
*running OS X on an original 300 mHz iBook*
Ha! At least your graphics card works at all. Mind you, I'm not complaining. X is so much more stable that I save more time from not having to restart than I loose from slow performance. =) <><
OS upgrade needs hardware upgrade!?
Jaguar is compatible with all machines. I can't understand why some people complain about Jaguar taking advantage of special hardware, if it's there. Besides, having bought an iBook, you have already sacrificed AltiVec; should Apple stop making iTunes using AltiVec just because some users don't have a G4?
Quartz Extreme on prior hardware
I think everyone should take a chill pill until Jaguar (Jagwyre if you're a Register fan) is released. Then, evaluate how your hardware does. Yes, Apple has said that the optimal memory is 32M but less will still work.
well
I bet we could all calm down a bit here and not start wanging on each other.
well
jaguar runs on my powerbook g3 pismo 400Mhz just fine. only downfall so far has been battery life is decreased yet again, but it IS just the dev seed..
iBook not for the extreme user
The ulimate response to all the iBook complaints is that the machine is not even designed for the high end user. It is designed for people who want nothing more then a fancy word processor, email and a few games. If you are looking for the real power and machine then you need to stick to the PowerBooks and towers (ie the pro line). This is both a marketing stance, and to help keep prices down on the low end stuff.
MB surpassing MB
It's really scary to think about how fast memory and storage is moving.
battery life?
All this Jaguar QE stuff is hooey to me -- I can't be the only ibook owner whose main desire in 10.2 is increased battery life. I'm tired of getting a meaningless 2 1/2 hours out of my supposedly 5 hour battery.
battery life?
Yes, there seems to be a bit more stuff in the Energy Saver control panel. Take a look -
http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarfindersystem/images/energysaver.html
http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarfindersystem/images/processorspeed.html
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